Hitting and Hitters Discussion Batting Average

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I asked on another thread but I want to see if it will stand alone.

Pitching is always a focal point but what about hitting? What kinda #'s does a girl need to have to be considered a dominant hitter? Average, obp, slugging? Should the #'s be higher on the H.S. team as opposed to travel(depending on the tournaments the girls play in and the caliber of the competition)?
What kinda #'s get a girl conference, county or state recognition?

Just curious and bored

 

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Youll get alot of different responses on this one. Especialy from pitchers dads lol........ BA to me should be Higher in HS ball as the pitching is not as strong as you will see in Travel, especialy the upper level travel. Some will tell you that BA is not a good indicater of the hitter, look at the ob% or slug% to get a true representation of her ability......... but numbers dont lie.
To make confrence or state is another subject your going to get a varied amount of responses on..... sour grapes will spill as soon as you start to discuss it. odds on favorite are that making state is a political event no matter how good the child hits.
But to make state your BA had be pretty high if you are a position player and not a pitcher/catcher. If you do your homework and check BA,s of kids that make state that are a position player they are going to be n the 5 to 6 hunderd area or they are a speed deamon on the base pads.
But what i love the most is the double standard placed on Pitchers and Hitters....... if you dont believe me go look at old threads on huddle. A pitcher will never be judged or her stats be scrutanised if she plays a weaker opponent and pads her stats with K,s ..........but you let a Hitter play a weaker opponent .... oh man the pitchers dads come out of the woodowrk lol.
This should be a good thread........ lets get it rollin

Tim

 

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Ohh hear we go.. this will bring out the loonies!! lol

Will have to agree with tim on the BA being around 5 to 6 in the school ball setting, my opinion on the select level 4s are considered a very good hitter. The OBP should be high due to the discipline of a smart batter, as far as the slugging% I never could never really understand. Im sure there will be different opinions on these numbers and cant wait to hear them.

Getting this out the way before someone else does. >>>> Did hear the 3yr old with the 700 BA was being pursued by the Tennessee Coach just because her younger sister was batting a 1000.:cap:

 

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Ohh hear we go.. this will bring out the loonies!! lol

Will have to agree with tim on the BA being around 5 to 6 in the school ball setting, my opinion on the select level 4s are considered a very good hitter. The OBP should be high due to the discipline of a smart batter, as far as the slugging% I never could never really understand. Im sure there will be different opinions on these numbers and cant wait to hear them.

Getting this out the way before someone else does. >>>> Did hear the 3yr old with the 700 BA was being pursued by the Tennessee Coach just because her younger sister was batting a 1000.:cap:

batting ave is great but give me RUNS SCORED, RBIs.

We seriously have faced girls in our conference that hit 500+ and they never got a hit agasinst us for 4 years.

Stats are so subjective

 

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As for HS honors, if the HS coach doesn't get the player's stats out and market that player to other HS coaches, it really doesn't matter how high the stats are. Amazingly, some HS coaches don't attend the meetings in which conference awards are decided.

 

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I've college coaches say batting average is not as important as on base percentage. ??

 

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someone say loonies ? Oh boy BA's stats are really subjective. I'd say my kid could hit 400-450 or so playing the normal ohio events plus a stingrays and gapps. But this season I'd happliy take a 300-400. Her team will be playing up quite a bit . But my kid walks a bunch (too much IMO --takes too many strikes, got way better last fall at swinging earlier in the count ) so her OB % was really really good but BA would look mediocre to most eyes I'd guess. Runs scored and RBI's are just as important as BA. Stats can also be inflated if a team is not seeing the opponents best arm. Like a kid hits 500 in pool play and 200 late on sundays . MD

 

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Just read the local papers when the post BA of the local high schools. Then look in see who keeps the stats on the high school team. Many times it is a kid not playing in the game. True story my wife had to keep the books one night when my oldest played. About the second error, they asked why are you not giving us hits? I watched a local high school team play and the next day a kid was 2 for 3 in the paper . She was 0-3. So I ignore most high school stats.. My Freshman is playing indoors right now in a local high school league, so we are facing high school pitchers. She has an 750 on base %, and her entire team is 8'th graders and 9'th graders, but all travel ball players. Her comment was, I thought the pitching would be better in high school.

 

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Would rather have alot of RBI's and runs scored than a 600 BA. If you bat 1000 but never score any runs or knock people in whats it matter? Like painting a car that is rusting out sure may look nice but does it get the job done? And as MD said OB% As well.

 

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As for HS honors, if the HS coach doesn't get the player's stats out and market that player to other HS coaches, it really doesn't matter how high the stats are. Amazingly, some HS coaches don't attend the meetings in which conference awards are decided.

This is so true try having a great bunch of players on the state border, and go to the selecion meetings in the center of the state with 3 coaches from your conference.
some really good players get looked over all the time

 

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I can't help but chime in on this one. LoL I personnaly look at avg, ob% and slg% when evaluating a hitter. The runs scored and RBI have more to do with the coach, line-up and the rest of the team than the player being evaluated, especially in HS ball.

You can have a kid that hits the daylight out of the ball, but if nobody in front of or behind them can you have no run production. If I'm looking for a lead-off I'm looking at ob%, a #3 I'm looking at avg., a #4 or #5 I'm looking at slg%. A player that gives you good numbers in all three you better get under contract. LoL

 

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I can't help but chime in on this one. LoL I personnaly look at avg, ob% and slg% when evaluating a hitter. The runs scored and RBI have more to do with the coach, line-up and the rest of the team than the player being evaluated, especially in HS ball.

You can have a kid that hits the daylight out of the ball, but if nobody in front of or behind them can you have no run production. If I'm looking for a lead-off I'm looking at ob%, a #3 I'm looking at avg., a #4 or #5 I'm looking at slg%. A player that gives you good numbers in all three you better get under contract. LoL

your right one there

 

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Not to knock it, but if a kid bats .800 with no RBI's and no Runs Scored, I would kind of wonder what the other 8 batters are doing in the line up? I understand not having homeruns, but is it realistic to truly even hit .600 and always come up with nobody on 2nd or 3rd base, and then have kids that bat .125 and below behind ya, so you dont get driven in? I would probably trust Travel ball stats over HS Softball stats. I prefer the OB%, because there are too many people out there doing books that shouldn't be, and the Major leagues some times screw up what is a hit or an error or judge if it was a normal/average attempt to catch the ball? You lose out on the sacrafice, but you get the walk, and i'm sure our kids have more walks than sacrifices, so it's a trade off to me.

So my position is
1.OB% 2.BA 3. Runs Scored 4. RBI's 5. Slugging %. (3 and 4 could be flipped)

As far as the numbers expected for travel ball at age's 16 and up? JMO

.450 to .550BA .550 to .650 OB% is an outstanding hitter

I'd say for H.S. stats add .100 points and your there!

Good Hitters tend to stay around .350 to .400
Average hitters tend to stay around .300 to .350
Need a lot of work tend to stay around .200 to .300
Anything below .200 they may want to consider another sport!!!

 

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This may be a dumb question but what is the difference between " runs scored and RBI"?

 

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In HS ball its not difficult to hit .500 if you have 72 ab and you have 19 BOB and 6 HBP ........ that means you only need 24 hits for the remainder of the season . but the important part is you need about 30 plus RBI,s in those 24 AB...... thats where it is benefical for a kid to hit for power and avg........ ok pitchers dads..... your turn lol

 

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Good example my dd is a lead off hitter. Very difficult for her to get an RBI, driving a runner in with a hit, but she leads the team in runs scored. Because she gets on base , on base % is high., steals like crazy . Then waits on 3 base for someone to get an RBI. That is an easy way answer your ? She also leads in HBP, mainly in the head, since they like to pitch her high and inside to lefty slappers.

 

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Runs scored are the runs that the hitter scores herself, while RBI's are the runs that the hitter knocks in during her at bats.

 

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This may be a dumb question but what is the difference between " runs scored and RBI"?

The difference is being driven in as a run and driving in a run

 

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Tim your inbox is full. So I can't respond to your PM.

 

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whoops ok, I keep forgetting to clean it out