Hitting and Hitters Discussion Batting Average

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semperfi - runs scored is where the player (your DD for example) scores a run herself (crosses home plate)

RBI - runs batted in, can possibly also include your DD if she hits a bomb, but typically is someone else scoring

As for the discussion, does this mean most high school, and travel, have very few good to great hitters on average? If a very good hitter is .450 - .550, and you have a couple, along with some good hitters (.350 - .450)wouldn't there be much higher scoring games than there are? Or, are they simply padding their stats against weaker teams? If I have a player hit .500, they are awesome in my opinion. Of course, we tend to be a little harder on the hit/error concept than some others at our age group.

 

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semperfi - runs scored is where the player (your DD for example) scores a run herself (crosses home plate)

RBI - runs batted in, can possibly also include your DD if she hits a bomb, but typically is someone else scoring

As for the discussion, does this mean most high school, and travel, have very few good to great hitters on average? If a very good hitter is .450 - .550, and you have a couple, along with some good hitters (.350 - .450)wouldn't there be much higher scoring games than there are? Or, are they simply padding their stats against weaker teams? If I have a player hit .500, they are awesome in my opinion. Of course, we tend to be a little harder on the hit/error concept than some others at our age group.

I think that if you go and check stats on a hs team youll find a huge drop off from your best hitter to the avg number. sometimes 2 to 300 points difference, thats the reason theres not a footbal score on a regular basis

 

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I should have said on the average team.. I know there are teams out there that are loaded..... hense state champs.but most are at the best avg

 

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In HS ball its not difficult to hit .500 if you have 72 ab and you have 19 BOB and 6 HBP ........ that means you only need 24 hits for the remainder of the season . but the important part is you need about 30 plus RBI,s in those 24 AB...... thats where it is benefical for a kid to hit for power and avg........ ok pitchers dads..... your turn lol

72 AB requires 36 hits to be a BA of .500 (I know u know that, lol) I guess I'm confused on 19BOB and 6HBP combining with 24hits to equal what?
As we can all discuss stats til we are blue in the face, the stats for an #1 or #2 hitter are different for a #3,4,5 hitter and should be way different when it comes to RBI's and Runs Scored. So truly we should put an emphasis on expectations of each spot in the batting order, as some are similar, but it really should vary based on where a kid hits in the line up. JMO

 

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Thats what I thought! I didn't understand The3dm when he said" 1.OB% 2.BA 3. Runs Scored 4. RBI's 5. Slugging %. Would it be safe to say " Run scored might be a synonym for contact hitter"?

 

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Semperfi..,

Wasn't me, you mean rdelawder. Runs scored and RBI in my opinion reflect more on the team than on an individual player.

 

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72 AB requires 36 hits to be a BA of .500 (I know u know that, lol) I guess I'm confused on 19BOB and 6HBP combining with 24hits to equal what?

I think it was meant as 72 plate appearances. 72 PA minus 25 (BOB and HBP) equals 47 true at bats. 24 hits would put the BA over .500 at that point.

 

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I think it was meant as 72 plate appearances. 72 PA minus 25 (BOB and HBP) equals 47 true at bats. 24 hits would put the BA over .500 at that point.

me thinks that rd was bustin my chops lol

 

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Originally Posted by bouldersdad
In HS ball its not difficult to hit .500 if you have 72 ab and you have 19 BOB and 6 HBP ........ that means you only need 24 hits for the remainder of the season . but the important part is you need about 30 plus RBI,s in those 24 AB...... thats where it is benefical for a kid to hit for power and avg........ ok pitchers dads..... your turn lol
That would be a 500 BA and a 695 OB%. I will take that kid as my lead off hitter.

 

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semperfi - runs scored is where the player (your DD for example) scores a run herself (crosses home plate)

RBI - runs batted in, can possibly also include your DD if she hits a bomb, but typically is someone else scoring

As for the discussion, does this mean most high school, and travel, have very few good to great hitters on average? If a very good hitter is .450 - .550, and you have a couple, along with some good hitters (.350 - .450)wouldn't there be much higher scoring games than there are? Or, are they simply padding their stats against weaker teams? If I have a player hit .500, they are awesome in my opinion. Of course, we tend to be a little harder on the hit/error concept than some others at our age group.

I'm with ya Todd, I think .400 to .500 in travel is outstanding and every team may only have one or maybe two. The kids that hit this way in travel should hit higher in H.S., but now your down to only so many in a conference as compared to having one on every travel team or maybe 2. I looked at last years stats that someone gave me last spring of their conference, and most of your outstanding hitters are on there hitting .550 to .650 playing Div. 1 H.S. ball. I would like to know how they finished after the Travel Ball season, but I will assume at least 50 points to a max of 100 points less than their H.S average.


450 to .550BA .550 to .650 OB% is an outstanding hitter

I'd say for H.S. stats add .100 points and your there!

Good Hitters tend to stay around .350 to .400 (travel ball)
Average hitters tend to stay around .300 to .350 (travel ball)
Need a lot of work tend to stay around .200 to .300 (travel ball)
Anything below .200 they may want to consider another sport!!!

 

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We had three last year that were between .400 - .500, and then a few .300 - .400, then a bunch of .200 - .300. We ended our season pretty well for a 11U team playing some pretty good tournaments. Goal this year is to keep the three that were .400 - .500 there, and move the rest up .100 points. .

Merry Christmas to you and yours Roger, are you expecting a white Christmas?

 

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With those averages then I know why you had a successful 09' season. Wish you the best on getting the others up 100 points.
I'm afraid a white christmas is not in the cards for us, we can drive just 90 miles away to see a little snow, but I really dont think I'm going to miss it. lol

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

 

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sounds like we were similar to Buckeye heat... team average was .359 in 2009. One above .600 (and she batted above .750 most of the year and had a couple rough games that hurt her), 1 above .550 (all year), and 3 in the .400's and the rest were still learning. For me at 10u it's been a focus on their ob% and speed on the base paths to get to those wonderful runs scored and RBI's. The two leading batters had slug% avg above .750. Now, that's 10u... who knows in the 12u ranks how they will do. We too have a team goal to bat above .425 in 2010. Also want to push the stolen bases as a team up quite a bit.

 

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With those averages then I know why you had a successful 09' season. Wish you the best on getting the others up 100 points.
I'm afraid a white christmas is not in the cards for us, we can drive just 90 miles away to see a little snow, but I really dont think I'm going to miss it. lol

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

A$$Hat

 

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With those averages then I know why you had a successful 09' season. Wish you the best on getting the others up 100 points.
I'm afraid a white christmas is not in the cards for us, we can drive just 90 miles away to see a little snow, but I really dont think I'm going to miss it. lol

Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

I thought we had a successful season simply because of the outstanding coaching!

 

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We define a successful at bat when the hitter gets on base or advances the runner or scores a runner....the parents usually worry about the batting averages.

You know they do not understand when you hear why does coach (fill in the blank ) always make my daughter bunt...He / She knows she can hit and She / He is taking the bat right out her hands! No wonder she has such a low batting average!

Did her team win or loose...who cares about batting averages!

 

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Great reply Hitter it is about being a Team player that can Hit,Bunt and play good defense. If a girl can do those things fundamentally sound she will have a bright future in this great game.

 

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We define a successful at bat when the hitter gets on base or advances the runner or scores a runner....the parents usually worry about the batting averages.

You know they do not understand when you hear why does coach (fill in the blank ) always make my daughter bunt...He / She knows she can hit and She / He is taking the bat right out her hands! No wonder she has such a low batting average!

Did her team win or loose...who cares about batting averages!

Well rounded response from the hitting guru.... ;&

 

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I'll try my best to answer Flatline's question that began the thread. He asked what kind of hitting numbers does it take to consider a girl dominant. I think that varies at each level, so I will go by Division I high school and 18-U travel.

At Div. I h.s., a girl who is hitting .450 or better is pretty dominant. This is a true .450, not what we often see in the papers. In my six seasons of coaching at that level (with five of those years being very good teams), we had only two 400-plus seasons from players. We did have three others in the 390s. Each one of those seasons earned some sort of all-Ohio honor.

For solid 18-U travel ball, I'd say anyone hitting .400 or better (maybe .375) is dominant. In four years of good 16-U and 18-U ball, we had one girl hit .400-plus in all four years and just two other .400-plus seasons in those four years. The one who hit better than .400 each year was a Div. I starter as a freshman and the girls who hit .350 or better are generally starting players on Div. I or II college teams.

With the discussion about the importance of the stats, I look at on-base (x2) plus slugging. Then I will look at stolen bases and stolen base attempts. Finally, I will subjectively weigh a girl's baserunning ability. I don't pay much attention to runs scored or RBI. I look at those stats from my teams, not from potential recruits, as I figure I can't trust the stats from most teams.

With runs scored, the important part of that stat is covered by the other factors I consider. With RBI, a big part depends on who is hitting in front of you. So the only part of that not covered by more relevant stats is clutch hitting. I've never been sold on the notion of "clutch" hitting (I hope punchout isn't reading), and even if I were, it would take a Major League Baseball season's worth of at-bats to yield statistically meaningful data.

I love this stuff, it's my favorite subject.

 

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Our leadoff hitter at EAST CENTRAL 101 ab 40 hits 396 ave 34runs 50 toatal bases 12 rbi ob%417 33 out of 35 sb

summer 321 ave 357 ob% 28 out of 31