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I have a JV team. The team has little to no knowledge of the game. The team has absolutely no pitching. I took the job knowing of the challenge but I was confident I could improve them. I did but the ones that showed improvement went to Varsity. We have been mercified every game and it is so embarrassing. My girls have improved considerably on the basics but what good is it when other teams are laughing? We played a team today that I am sure had Varsity drop downs just to come and get in some playing time but darn is this terrible. Please know I feel this is a good thing for them to come and get some play time but this is doing nothing to encourage future players for this community where I do see the opposite. I do think a Varsity Coach should have a little pride in his JV Team. Am I on the wrong page here? Thank you in advance
 
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your not wrong...in fact you are nothing but right...i was in the same situation..the varsity coach had 14 varsity players each game...with at least 4 girls sitting every game...i was left just like you....about half season..i asked myself the same thing...got fed up..and finally told the varsity about the situation..and stressed the importance of building a program that produces good VARSITY teams....it starts when the girls get in roster ball....jv and varsity coaches i think should be putting together clinics..for the younger teams with help from that areas ball association...and help the coaches be better coaches too for the younger kids....but all this..if you let them get beat up in jv...kinda kills it......varsity coach has to share the players...if they can....a varsity player on the bench is no good either
 
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robertk I could never be a JV coach, the first thing I would tell the Varsity coach is pick the team you want since you are the head coach you should know what you want. when you pick them don't send anyone to me to get some playing time, and don't ask me for a player to play for you. if she ain't good enough for you to play Varsity ball when you picked them she ain't good enough now. and don't tell me who to play and where to play her.
 
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I'm sorry guys, I coach a Varsity team, and have a very weak JV squad. ?My JV coach is frustrated as well, but I try to tell him that there are probably only 2-3 girls on that team that will ever have a "slight" chance of seeing varsity time over the course of their HS careers, so make it fun for them, and give those 2-3 varsity hopefuls some reps.
Bottom line, JV is not a developmental squad for varsity, in most cases. ?It is used to give girls on the bubble playing time and to develop their skills. ?Girls that are good enough to play Varsity, but have to play behind an upperclassmen, should be up on varsity, and not play down to the JV level, so the JV team is not embarrased. ?If you were to drop those varsity bench players down, they would probably be upset. ?I know from experience, they would rather sit the varsity bench, then play down with the JV's. ?If they are happy moving down, then they should be there in the first place. ?It would be safe to say that I will get my next varsity players from the JR. High, before I develop them on a JV team. ?Let them play and get some exercise, and don't be concerned with winning. ?JMHO
 
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Lady K is correct. JVs job is to prepare as many girls as possible for the Varsity and the Varsity's job is to win as many as possible. I feel your pain, but that's the way it is.
 
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Can't agree more with what Lady K and Johnnies stated. That is High School ball. Most JV coaches understand this. This goes back to some of the questions of letting Freshman play Varisity. Who cares what grade they are in, we pick the best player. It 's a lesson that you will learn latter in life the best skilled person gets the job.
 
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I feel that the role of a JV coach is to develop skills which will enable those JV players to become varsity players. If the JV wins most of their games, that is a bonus. If the JV loses all their games, but the players are being well coached and becoming better players, then the goal is being accomplished. You have an extremely important role as a JV coach. You are developing future varsity players.

The level of each school district's youth program will ultimately determine how well the incoming players skills have been developed. I hold clinics for all our youth coaches, hold summer clinics for every age group of players, give individual lessons to players as young as 8 years old, and help coach the Jr. High summer rec ball teams. This takes a lot of time but it is the only way to make sure the players reach your program with the fundamental skills of running, throwing, catching, bunting, hitting, pitching and are mentally intelligent players. Not developing these skills properly at younger ages makes the job of a JV and Varsity coach much harder. For example, instead of being able to work on offensive or defensive strategy, you spend most your time teaching players how to throw and catch. This can put your program 1-2 years behind others. Instead of underclassman having a chance to help your varsity squad, it take 1-2 years for them to develop. Understandably, not all high school coaches are respected by their community so this makes the job of developing a youth program even more difficult. However, if you can do things to earn that respect, young players and coaches will flock to you for advice.

As the head coach, I do not micro-manage my JV squad. I am blessed to have a great JV coaching staff. However, as the head coach I do have the right to give my opinion to those coaches and players and to bring up a player from JV if I feel she is needed for a certain role. Any JV coach who would tell me to pick my team and leave would have no place in our program. Our JV coaches not only help develop the JV squad, they also work with our varsity players. All our players respect them as much as any varsity coach because the players know these coaches have the knowledge to teach.

It is extremely important for the JV/Varsity coaches and players to feel as though they are one unit. We practice together as often as possible; have inter-squad scrimmages; when possible we attend each others games; we make sure the varsity players stay in contact with JV players at school. We believe as a team that we are only as good as the last player on JV. This is why our varsity players take time out to help others. If you have an attitude that your JV is nothing more than a way to get a couple future players developed, I believe that is all you will probably get. If you believe that every player, no matter how bad, may at some point in the future play a role on varsity, then I believe you will develop a much stronger overall team.
 
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Kosh said:
I feel that the role of a JV coach is to develop skills which will enable those JV players to become varsity players. ?If the JV wins most of their games, that is a bonus. ?If the JV loses all their games, but the players are being well coached and becoming better players, then the goal is being accomplished. ?You have an extremely important role as a JV coach. ?You are developing future varsity players.

The level of each school district's youth program will ultimately determine how well the incoming players skills have been developed. ?I hold clinics for all our youth coaches, hold summer clinics for every age group of players, give individual lessons to players as young as 8 years old, and help coach the Jr. High summer rec ball teams. ?This takes a lot of time but it is the only way to make sure the players reach your program with the fundamental skills of running, throwing, catching, ?bunting, hitting, pitching and are mentally intelligent players. ?Not developing these skills properly at younger ages makes the job of a JV and Varsity coach much harder. For example, instead of being able to work on offensive or defensive strategy, you spend most your time teaching players how to throw and catch. ?This can put your program 1-2 years behind others. ? Instead of underclassman having a chance to help your varsity squad, it take 1-2 years for them to develop. ?Understandably, not all high school coaches are respected by their community so this makes the job of developing a youth program even more difficult. ?However, if you can do things to earn that respect, young players and coaches will flock to you for advice.

As the head coach, I do not micro-manage my JV squad. ?I am blessed to have a great JV coaching staff. ?However, as the head coach I do have the right to give my opinion to those coaches and players and to bring up a player from JV if I feel she is needed for a certain role. ?Any JV coach who would tell me to pick my team and leave would have no place in our program. ?Our JV coaches not only help develop the JV squad, they also work with our varsity players. ?All our players respect them as much as any varsity coach because the players know these coaches have the knowledge to teach.

It is extremely important for the JV/Varsity coaches and players to feel as though they are one unit. ?We practice together as often as possible; have inter-squad scrimmages; when possible we attend each others games; we make sure the varsity players stay in contact with JV players at school. ?We believe as a team that we are only as good as the last player on JV. ?This is why our varsity players take time out to help others. ?If you have an attitude that your JV is nothing more than a way to get a couple future players developed, I believe that is all you will probably get. ?If you believe that every player, no matter how bad, may at some point in the future play a role on varsity, then I believe you will develop a much stronger overall team. ?


Great post!
 
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You guys must have small schools. Half of our freshman team could play varsity not to mention the JV. There simply isn't enough room for them. :p
 
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What happens when the jv is undeafeated and the varsity is barely staying at .500? The school my child plays jv for is a very solid group can't say the same about the varsity. Only 1 player from the jv gets varsity playing time and could play varsity all the time but chooses not to. This player made the statement I started on jv and that's MY team. Let me say it is NOT my kid but the whole jv group are friends first and play as a team every game.
 
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LADY_KNIGHTS said:
I'm sorry guys, I coach a Varsity team, and have a very weak JV squad. ?My JV coach is frustrated as well, but I try to tell him that there are probably only 2-3 girls on that team that will ever have a "slight" chance of seeing varsity time over the course of their HS careers, so make it fun for them, and give those 2-3 varsity hopefuls some reps.
Bottom line, JV is not a developmental squad for varsity, in most cases. ?It is used to give girls on the bubble playing time and to develop their skills. ?Girls that are good enough to play Varsity, but have to play behind an upperclassmen, should be up on varsity, and not play down to the JV level, so the JV team is not embarrased. ?If you were to drop those varsity bench players down, they would probably be upset. ?I know from experience, they would rather sit the varsity bench, then play down with the JV's. ?If they are happy moving down, then they should be there in the first place. ?It would be safe to say that I will get my next varsity players from the JR. High, before I develop them on a JV team. ?Let them play and get some exercise, and don't be concerned with winning. ?JMHO

Wow! I don't agree with this.....in our case anyway we have 6-7 girls on JV that could play Varsity today.......problem is Varsity has the upperclassmen who in our school anyway gets precedence over freshman players. Fact you either accept or find a different school district. I believe JV is a developmental squad for Varsity.......if all the girls good enough to play Varsity were playing.... Varsity would have close to 20 players and JV might have 3 or 4. Our Varsity team has high respect for our JV squad as does our JV squad for our Varsity team.....they should as our JV team is 16-1 and all of these girls know it will be a battle to win a spot on Varsity next year...but they still battle......am pretty certain not one single Junior, or Sophmore would be embarrassed to play down on a 16-1 team. How does one know if they have a diamond in the rough or not if they are not willing to develop some of the players on the lowly JV squad?
 
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Miami Valley Vipers 14 said:
[quote author=LADY_KNIGHTS link=1209521316/0#3 date=1209528997]I'm sorry guys, I coach a Varsity team, and have a very weak JV squad. ?My JV coach is frustrated as well, but I try to tell him that there are probably only 2-3 girls on that team that will ever have a "slight" chance of seeing varsity time over the course of their HS careers, so make it fun for them, and give those 2-3 varsity hopefuls some reps.
Bottom line, JV is not a developmental squad for varsity, in most cases. ?It is used to give girls on the bubble playing time and to develop their skills. ?Girls that are good enough to play Varsity, but have to play behind an upperclassmen, should be up on varsity, and not play down to the JV level, so the JV team is not embarrased. ?If you were to drop those varsity bench players down, they would probably be upset. ?I know from experience, they would rather sit the varsity bench, then play down with the JV's. ?If they are happy moving down, then they should be there in the first place. ?It would be safe to say that I will get my next varsity players from the JR. High, before I develop them on a JV team. ?Let them play and get some exercise, and don't be concerned with winning. ?JMHO

Wow! I don't agree with this.....in our case anyway we have 6-7 girls on JV that could play Varsity today.......problem is Varsity has the upperclassmen who in our school anyway gets precedence over freshman players. Fact you either accept or find a different school district. I believe JV is a developmental squad for Varsity.......if all the girls good enough to play Varsity were playing.... Varsity would have close to 20 players and JV might have 3 or 4. Our Varsity team has high respect for our JV squad as does our JV squad for our Varsity team.....they should as our JV team is 16-1 and all of these girls know it will be a battle to win a spot on Varsity next year...but they still battle......am pretty certain not one single Junior, or Sophmore would be embarrassed to play down on a 16-1 team. How does one know if they have a diamond in the rough or not if they are not willing to develop some of the players on the lowly JV squad?[/quote]

I answered the initial posters question, about having a very poor JV team. ?You are comparing apples to oranges when your JV squad is 16-1. ?My JV squad has been run ruled at least 4 times by more than 30 runs. ?Come coach my JV team, and then try to tell me what I stated was wrong. ? Each situation and set of circumstances are different. ;)
 
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Have to agree with Lady Knights as well.. Coming from a small Div 3 school where we have just enough girls to field both a Varsity and JV squad, our best players are on Varsity, including 2 freshman. Our Varsity is 18-1 at this point, and our JV has won maybe a few games. ?Don't get me wrong, there are a few girls that will be able to come up next year and play Varsity, but majority will never see Varsity. Teach them as much as you can, make the season as fun as possible, but don't be too concerned about the scores or record.
 
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ragen4ball said:
What happens when the jv is undeafeated and the varsity is barely staying at .500? The school my child plays jv for is a very solid group can't say the same about the varsity. Only 1 player from the jv gets varsity playing time and could play varsity all the time but chooses not to. This player made the statement I started on jv and that's MY team. Let me say it is NOT my kid but the whole jv group are friends first and play as a team every game.

I have heard this a lot, primarily from the larger schools. ?If your Varsity squad has a couple of good pitchers, ?then it its likely that you will have a really promising Freshman or Sophomore pitching for JV. ?If your JV has good pitching (what could be varsity level pitching for many schools) then your JV squad is likely going to have a great record.

But.... DO NOT BE DISILLUSIONED...
Don't ?think for a minute that your undefeated JV team could even think about competing at the Varsity level.
The level of play is much higher at the varsity level than you may think. ?Our school will not even scrimmage between JV and Varsity because it would demonstrate (rather obviously) the vast differences in talent at the two levels. ?

The pitchers have more pitches (that they can control), everything about the game is faster, the throws are harder, the line drives get to the infielders in milliseconds, and the hitters are better.

Enjoy the success of the JV team while your DD is playing JV. ? Varsity ball next year WILL be a BIG CHANGE.
 
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GWOC fan you have a great point. ? One factor that most people don't recognize is that the umpires call a tighter strike zone for varsity games most of the time and with better more patient hitters a pitcher who just dominates the jv game can be very ordinary in a varsity game. ?
 
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While I perfectly understand the point about the level of play being very different having had my DD play JV as a freshman and now being a starter for the varsity as a sophomore - it is way too general to apply across the board. There is no doubt that she faced stiffer competition from some of the JV teams last year than she has seen from SOME of the varsity teams she faced this year. It has alot more to do with the impact of the varsity head coaches than some want to think.

A head coach that believes their JV is NOT a place to improve talent will get exactly what they are shooting for - a terrible JV squad. Head coaches opinions of JV teams become self-fulfilling prophecies. That said, I understand not having enough talent in a program to field a good JV squad but unless you do something proactive to change it the status quo will not change - which of course leads to those 30-0 blow-outs when a program that focuses on the whole program (varsity & JV) runs into a program where the varsity coach has abandoned the JV portion of the program.
 
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GWOC...thank goodness a handfull from JV see as good or better level of play of Varsity teams during their summer play.......keeping them working year round and with good summer teams should keep them from being intimidated by what they see all summer long when it is their turn to step to the plate!
 
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You are absolutely right Vipers. And I am confident that you know there is as at least as big a jump from 14U to 16U in travel ball as there is from JV to Varsity.

My advice to any parents out there whose DD wants to play varsity as early as possible is to have her play up as soon as feasible. If she is good enough to compete, don't spend that second year in 14U, move up to 16U and she will be much better prepared for Varsity tryouts.

(Sorry Vipers, I don't mean to encourage your top notch players to move up on you)

IMHO the more a player is challenged, the more they learn and the better they become. Sure it might be nice to have a 0.03 ERA or a .604 Batting Average, but the player would be much better off pitching against better hitters and hitting against better pitchers if she can compete at the higher level.
 
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No worries about our players moving up...we play our fair share of tourneys and games at the U16 level as a U14 team. Many teams do that in travel ball. They seem to like the challenge presented of playing up as a team and so far they have done very well. But with that being said......my humble opinion....most of the strong U14 teams out there would compete very nicely against most varsity teams I have seen play......not all but most! I agree though the tougher the competition the more the girls learn, thats why we play up during the fall, winter, and summer.......by doing so hopefully the experiences will payoff during Nationals!
Good example......the Express girls had a U13 team last year and played up all year long....went to Nationals and won it all........the tougher competition prepared them for the battles they had to go through to achive their goal.
 
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i bet i get bashed by someone for this, if a girl can dominate at her age group she does herself no good at all by staying there and needs to move up if possible (much to the dismay of her coach that just lost a stud) youd be amazed even though there is a difference at 14 to 16 how much a 14 can contribute to an older team and how much it will boost her self esteem and confidence and challenge her all at the same time...... as long as she shows constant advancement and isnt afraid of the older girls ( lets face it 16 and 17 year olds act a bit different than 14,s do) let her jump up and give it a shot
 

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