Could this be the biggest Bush play ever?

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Good no flopping...that would have been worse!

 

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Same thing as stopping between 1st and 2nd. Should have used your regular defensive play against the delayed steal - no out, but no run, either.

 

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why is that bush???? lay down or run down...no different...look like team "A" took the bait!

I agree they fell for it. Shame on them

 

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What can I say sometimes you're the fish and sometimes you're the bait.

 

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Had a 16U team try it against us at Compuwae but we did not bite. They tried it two pitches in a row. Throw it back to pitcher and get them out on look back rule.

This is your best defense. Not bush at all. Just creative.

 

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Sundial,She didn't flop, just laid there like a dead fish.Did good job of keeping play alive until runner scored. Maybe she should get some kind of reward like a fish sticker for her helmet!!

 

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My question is why would your catcher throw down without a "cut play"? At higher levels, the runner on third will ALWAYS score on a throw-down. Best suggestion is to work on this in practice. Simulate a run-down situation between first and second, and have the catcher be the field marshal. Timing is everything. As soon as the runner breaks, the ball must be immediately thrown to the waiting catcher. Like all timing plays, it's a bang-bang play that won't happen without lots of practice. Similar to picking the lead runner at third with a hard fake to first (which I saw a few inexperienced runners fall for at Stingrays this weekend), this play will fall apart without LOTS of practice. Fakes and decoys work both ways, so be prepared to execute.

Laying down in the baseline? No disrespect intended, but an experienced team is watching the runner on third - who cares what the decoy is doing? She can't score ahead of the runner on third anyway.

 

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There is also a move during a run down where the runner flops down suddenly on their belly and then gets back up quickly as the person with the balls trips over them or misses them completely allowing the runner to score. It is a different way to give your self up.

Is it bush to drop or miss a foul ball with runners at third and second knowing full well as soon as you catch the ball the runners are on the move with no outs or one out? Heads up move.....the rules allow it.

"Remember softball and baseball is a game played by kids and it is orchestrated and run by adults and adults do not like to loose to kids or other adults!" and "It usually is not the kids playing the head games on the field with each other, it is the parents and coaches trying to gain a competitive edge any way they can at anyone elses expense even from the stands!"

 

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I don't think I would teach my player to lay down, but I agree it's the same concept as getting in a run-down. I think it probably looks a little goofy, but nothing illegal.

 

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More goofy than bush. Why wouldn't you just have the runner stay on their feet and avoid getting tagged as long as possible to allow the runner to cross home?

 

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Not as much fun that way.Remember these are kids. 18/u but still kids. Now honestly how many of you are going to start practicing stopping this play and how many are going to start doing this play? I know of a few high school coaches that have this play in their play books?

 

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I will keep this play in our play book as a defensive play to have heads up to. You only have to teach us a lesson once... But as for doing this play agaisnt another team? We will not be teaching this type of stradegy.. But hey, to each their own.. JMHO

 

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Perfectly legal play. I think that having the player fall down ****ers the defense to go for the "easy out" and that gives the runner on third the chance to score. Also, seeing something out of the ordinary can make a player pause an extra second or two to process what they're seeing and that also can buy time for the run to score.

Here's a couple more you might see once in a blue moon, but if you ever do see them you won't be able to say you never heard of them before!

- Runners on first and third. On release of the pitch, have the runner on first take her lead off about 20 feet down the right field line, out into right field! This is legal- the rules don't specify which direction the runner has to lead off. It's not "leaving the baseline", because the runner isn't doing it to avoid a tag by a fielder.

As long as she adheres to all of the other requirements of the Look Back Rule, the runner isn't violating any rule with this strange lead off. It will often draw a throw for the "easy out"- or just confuse the heck out of the defense!

- Runner on second. Have your catcher attempt a pick off following a pitch. If the runner is diving back and does not see the ball, have your shortstop yell, "Go get it!", while your second baseman runs toward the outfield as if chasing an errant throw.

Only the shortstop has caught the ball! If the runner bites, thinking the throw got away, you might have an easy tag play if the runner decides to go to third, or comes off the bag to locate the ball.

If you ever decide to try one of these in your games...please don't mention my name!

 

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- Runner on second. Have your catcher attempt a pick off following a pitch. If the runner is diving back and does not see the ball, have your shortstop yell, "Go get it!", while your second baseman runs toward the outfield as if chasing an errant throw.

Only the shortstop has caught the ball! If the runner bites, thinking the throw got away, you might have an easy tag play if the runner decides to go to third, or comes off the bag to locate the ball.

I was a first baseman in my other life, sooooooo long ago, and we used to use this on pick offs. The key is obviously causing enough confusion that keeps the runner from being able to pay attention to the coaches. Lol

 

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Cleveland Indians 3rd baseman some years ago. Runner steals 3rd successfully, 3rd baseman says to runner, you want to step off so I can dust off base, runner obliges and tagged out. Perfectly legal. Taught runner very good lesson.

 

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Bretman over the years it is mostly the other coaches and parents that yell out "get her" that is what sells that play. Coach from other team didn't say it Sunday but you sure could hear the parents yelling "get her". Now you have to ask yourself which parents????

 

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- Runners on first and third. On release of the pitch, have the runner on first take her lead off about 20 feet down the right field line, out into right field! This is legal- the rules don't specify which direction the runner has to lead off. It's not "leaving the baseline", because the runner isn't doing it to avoid a tag by a fielder.

As long as she adheres to all of the other requirements of the Look Back Rule, the runner isn't violating any rule with this strange lead off. It will often draw a throw for the "easy out"- or just confuse the heck out of the defense!

I like this one!!!! We may have to try it!!! As far as the original post, on defense we would use this set up to get the out at home, let them think we are trying to get the runner from first out but shoot it home ASAP.

 

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Had a 16U team try it against us at Compuwae but we did not bite. They tried it two pitches in a row. Throw it back to pitcher and get them out on look back rule.

Come on Glen, we know you fell for it.

 

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I have seen weider plays. In this case just throw the ball your second basemen and have her trip over the player lying on base path and get an interference / obstruction call for a dead ball foul. You get the out and the runner has to go back to third.

 

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Good strategy in a close or tied game.