Could this be the biggest Bush play ever?

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heartbreakers - just out of curiousity, has this play ever resulted in the runner on first being called out because of the look back rule?

 

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can't say we have, this play only works late in the game, both teams are really into it.
most of the times the girls will stand up in the dugout and all of them will give the sign to 3rd base coach.she then relays it to players. runner on first sprints to 2nd but falls down half way,as i said parents and coaches yell out "get her" catcher can't stand to see a dead duck laying out there waiting to be put out. She forgets all about runner on third.I have had girls walk in from third. Word of caution here. you should tell the field umpire before the game that this might happen. If blue thinks the player is really hurt he can call time out and kill the play. then you look real stupid when player gets up and walks off field.

 

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One of the oddest plays I witnessed was when I was a sophmore in HS playing SS and the leadoff hitter hit triple in bottom of 6th inning, coach in 3rd base box calls a conference with next hitter,Right away I think suicide squeeze, as coach walks back to box he yells at the players in dugout to get up and cheer the hitter, they all stand up... First pitch goes by a ball, no one in dugout says a word, second pitch same thing, 3rd pitch strike, 4th one ball, now the count is 3 and 1 next pitch in the dirt batter swings and everyone in dugout yells" run, run, go to first.....as the batter runs to first our catcher throws the ball out to right feild and they end up scoring winning run.....
It took me till next inning to realize they "got us".....lol

 

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I tell you the best one ever. The plate umpire knows our signs and our team pretty well. I'm coaching 3rd base runners at the corners, tie ball game. I give the sign, umpire looks at me and just shakes her head. Like your kidding me right? Runner at first takes off falls down and gives a little yell. she is laying there, catcher has the ball walks out toward the rubber and the other coach yells and mean yells "Get Her" ,catcher throws down to 2nd base runner on 3rd looks at me shrugs her shoulders and walks in to score. Other coach is coming unglued. yelling and screaming. Umpire takes her mask off say coach all you had to do was throw the ball back to the pitcher, but you had to get greedy. Runner is safe you loose. Then he got really mad.

 

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I have seen this play work many times. Never had to lay down, but getting in the run down to let the runner score is taught by many teams.

 

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Not 100% sure it was intentional , but I saw Elyria do it in the state championship game this year at Firestone.

 

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When my DD was playing 10-u for one of the top organizations in the area they had a strategy session way back in the winter. In this strategy session a lot of things were taught and this "play" was one of them. I was a little uneasy as it was only her second year of travel and her first with this team. As she (and I ) have gotten older I realize things like this are just part of the game. It is sometimes about strategy. Strategy comes into play all the time.

 

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I don't get it. Why not just throw it to the second baseman in the middle of the baseline for a quick tag and then have her throw home for the double play? If your catcher and 2nd baseman can't do that, then their arms aren't strong enough and their hands aren't quick enough to play. In that case-- don't throw it at all.

It's funny but the goofy coaches who try that kind of thing usually do it with one of their best hitters at the plate. The result, whether it works or not, is a lot of hard feelings between the hitter, the hitter's parents and the coach-- because, above all else, trying something so risky shows an absolute lack of confidence in the hitter's ability to drive in the run.

Let the kid swing the bat and stop tinkering. If you don't think the kid can get the job done, then don't put the kid in the lineup.

 

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Alright.. Seen something this weekend our team has never seen before. Our team is in the field. Team B has runners on 1st and 3rd with 2 outs. The pitch is pitched the runner is slowly running from 1st to second. Catcher comes up throwing to 2nd. When the runner stops and lays down between 1st and 2nd. The runner on 3rd scores. Our short stop is confused of course but is in the process of running over to tag the girl laying on the ground out. She is called out but we are told that the runner from 3rd is safe and the run counts! I see why the run counted because she did cross the plate before the last out was made. But is this just one of the biggest bush plays out there? In all our years we have never seen this done before. This is a 18u division and I could not see a college coach looking at this team and saying "Hey that was a good idea. " I see it as I guess some teams will do anything for a win. This was a close game and both teams where playing hard. But where is the line drawn that the officials need to step in and say "this is wrong and the run doesn't count" Has anyone seen this before? It has to be the biggest bush play I have ever seen in all my years.....

Candrea did this play at the CWS. Expect runner on 2nd and not 3rd. Same principle.

 

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The Wave a few years back pull this on us. They had a girl on 3rd with one out. The batter gounds out making the second out. The 3rd base coach tells his girls the inning is over its the third out, tells his team to hustle out and play defense. Our kids not paying attention run in from the field thinking the inning is over. One problem the runner at third stayed on the base, after our kids ran into the dugout, she runs home. They win the game by one run.

 

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Sneaky little rascals.Wow !!

 

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I don't get it. Why not just throw it to the second baseman in the middle of the baseline for a quick tag and then have her throw home for the double play? If your catcher and 2nd baseman can't do that, then their arms aren't strong enough and their hands aren't quick enough to play. In that case-- don't throw it at all.

It's funny but the goofy coaches who try that kind of thing usually do it with one of their best hitters at the plate. The result, whether it works or not, is a lot of hard feelings between the hitter, the hitter's parents and the coach-- because, above all else, trying something so risky shows an absolute lack of confidence in the hitter's ability to drive in the run.

Let the kid swing the bat and stop tinkering. If you don't think the kid can get the job done, then don't put the kid in the lineup.

I think that is an awfully general statement. Why wouldn't the batter & her family expect the coach to get out of a DP situation? Unless the batter's coach never explains anything to the team. Our team expects to get the runners in scoring position to line up the RBIs for them. I would argue that moving the runner shows more confidence in the batter. Its a team sport, not the Suzy or Sally show.

 

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After reading back through it sounds more like the Fallen Tree Trick rather than the Floppy Fish

 

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Except for the falling down part, this is a very good play and one that we have used. The way it was taught by a college coach that I used to coach with was that you get into the run down and if they go to tag you - you lay down at the last minute - can't say that I have encouraged kids to lay down but the rundown works - did it with a few of our better baserunners two tourneys ago

 

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maybe she was tired and needed a short nap

 

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If she did not fake an injury...not bush at all. It added confusion to the play which in turn allowed her team mate to score. Very creative!!

Mike

 

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I am in a hurry and have only read about half of the responses, but I have to agree that this isn't bush. I do appreciate the notion, though. I teach a variation of this, more for fun than anything, as the players almost never do it in a game.

Even though I don't think this is bush, I'm always willing to reconsider anything that might even seem bush and appreciate the discussion.

 

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I saw this play done during college ball this spring on TV. The girl left 1st and acted like she tripped/fell (looked more like a slide into a base) so the runner on third could steal home. It worked and it wasn't protested at all. I would assume there wasn't anything wrong with it then.

 

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I guess as I look back I can see how this was a play to draw attention to score the run anyway you can... With me it is not about the win or loss... Everyone has those.
I guess it was how I felt for our girls. Our girls thought that this runner was sick or something. She takes off and falls face in the dirt and doesn't move. I mean no movement at all. It was kind of a scary thing at first. We have had quite a few players drop on the field in the past... So that being said I guess we were duped not bushed.. We will learn to keep our eyes open in the future for everything as players and coaches.

 

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She takes off and falls face in the dirt and doesn't move. I mean no movement at all. It was kind of a scary thing at first. We have had quite a few players drop on the field in the past... So that being said I guess we were duped

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