Do you take her home run away? (The Softball Zone Radio Show Thread of the Week) Episode #9

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(The Softball Zone Radio Show Thread of the Week) Episode #9

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Re: Do you take her home run away?

A young batter (10 or 12U) hits a home run and after she rounds third & is close to home, her overly-jubilant, excited teammates start high-fiving her before she gets to the plate. You are the opposing coach & you see this.

What do you do?

congratulate her!!!!!!

 

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Make a note of her number and where the pitch she hit out was at so you don't throw her there again?

 

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You can't take that home run away, no matter what the coach says or does. No rules have been broken and nothing has happened that would wipe out the homer.

 

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She's fine...the runner must be assisted for the out call, high fives don't constitute assistance!

 

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I say you cheer for any 10u girl that hits one out!! No matter what team she is on!!

 

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What did you do Glory??

 

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Re: Do you take her home run away?

A young batter (10 or 12U) hits a home run and after she rounds third & is close to home, her overly-jubilant, excited teammates start high-fiving her before she gets to the plate. You are the opposing coach & you see this.

What do you do?

Take it away??? Based on what??? If you call a 10 or 12 year old girl's teammates "overly-jubilant" because they high-fived her during a home run trot, that's sad. They're kids enjoying a moment. Based on your description, no rules were violated. You should be happy for the girl, not looking for a way to take an accomplishment away from her.

 

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Agree with all, let them enjoy it. I wouldn't say a word

 

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have her bat tested ! (insert sarcasm at this point so everyone knows I'm joking )

 

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Great responses. What if she is 14? 16? College? Bretman I know you are the resident rule expert here, yet i have seen home runs negated because the player was touched before the batter crosses the plate. Watch the college games...the umpire is watching very closely to make sure nobody touches her before she crosses the plate.

 

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Great responses. What if she is 14? 16? College? Bretman I know you are the resident rule expert here, yet i have seen home runs negated because the player was touched before the batter crosses the plate. Watch the college games...the umpire is watching very closely to make sure nobody touches her before she crosses the plate.

yea and I think it's an ignorant thing. A home run is a home run....period in my mind.

 

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I'll go not so far out on a limb and say no coach I know is going to encourage blue to take away a HR from any age girl because of hand slapping and high fives . Maybe I'm wrong but if you need to ask the question does it mean you ( CZ ) would consider encouraging blue to act in such a situation ? this reads like you are unsure what you wuld do . I'm just an observer but it sounds more like the " I"LL WIN AT ALL COST " type of mentality . Kinda like rolling a bat , or other far out ways of bending the rules to gain an advantage. If I'm mistaken , my apologies .

 

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Great responses. What if she is 14? 16? College? Bretman I know you are the resident rule expert here, yet i have seen home runs negated because the player was touched before the batter crosses the plate. Watch the college games...the umpire is watching very closely to make sure nobody touches her before she crosses the plate.

Wrong. He/She is closely watching to make sure she actually touches home plate. With all the celebrating going on it could be missed. HR hitters are almost always congratulated by a quick high five from the 3rd base coach.

These interventions you are referring must have an impact to the game i.e. a coach/player pushes or pulls a player back to the base. None of this happens in a HR trot.

 

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Oh, let that dead horse be dead. :-D
My team was idle this past weekend. It's just a question.
I was at practice this past weekend and one of my girls took one deep. As she rounded the bases the next batter mailed her before she crossed the plate. That turned into a coaching opportunity for me.

 

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It's one of the longest enduring rule MYTHS that any touching of a runner is an automatic out...but it is just that: a MYTH. It is a gross misinterpretation of the rules about coaches assisting a runner.

I can remember this one coming up when I played youth baseball and that was a looong time ago! It was just as much a myth then as it is now. And yet, not a season goes by where I don't hear several stories about runners getting called out because of a high-five from a coach, or called out just because somebody "touched" them.

The myth lives on...

The rule is that a coach may not assist a runner during a live ball. "Touch" does not automatically equal "assist". To assist a runner means to do something that provides her with an advantage when running the bases. Examples would be: Helping up a runner who has tripped and fallen; Grabbing ahold of a runner to keep them from advancing; Pushing a runner toward a base when you want them to advance or go back.

A high-five, handshake or congratulatory slap on the back do not constitute "assisting". Besides that, the rule says that the runner must be assisted during a live ball. On a home run, the ball is dead.

The college rule is quite different than the rule for levels below that. In NCAA softball, it is illegal for anyone other than the base coach to touch the runner on a home run. This would apply to all of the bench players coming out onto the field. Their rule was put in place a few years ago. Before that, the bench players would swarm around the runner and plate on a home run. A coach complained that when this happened, you could not see the runner touch the plate.

Because of that, they came up with the rule about not touching the runner, hoping to keep the players back a bit so the umpire could see the touch of the plate. If anyone did touch the runner, it still wasn't an out- at first. The first offense calls for a team warning. Any violations after that get an out.

If all that wasn't bad enough, there were still complaints about not being able to see the plate be touched. NCAA came up with yet another new rule, which is what you're seeing around home plate this year. Now, all of the bench players must stay in foul territory until the runner touches the plate. That's why you're seeing all the college girls stand back like that. But this is a college only rule that doesn't apply to your high school, ASA, NSA, etc, etc, games.

So what would you like to see from the opposing coach?

First, I would hope that he said nothing because no rule was broken. But if he did, then I would hope that the umpire wouldn't call the out because no rule was broken. But if he did, then I would hope that the offensive team's coach would file a protest... because no rule was broken!

 

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Thanks, Bretman. You ARE the man! Time to start thinking about poll voting now. Thanks!

 

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Have you ever seen Pat Murphy chest bump his players rouding 3rd on a HR? That alone should tell you the ruling.

 

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As a former player (be it baseball or softball) and now as a coach, we are always looking for that "EDGE" to gain our team a victory. That is our competitive nature.

We have all done it. When I coached a women's team in the military, I would use every little obscure rule that I could find to try to get that "EDGE". Then one day it hit me. As a coach, I needed to be doing more instructing and let the skills of our team decide the game instead of me digging up some obscure rule to mask the inabilities of our team.

So, when we are out there instructing and teaching these girls, lets let their learned skills decide the game instead of us coaches getting nit-picky with the rule book (be it real or mythical rules) to mask what I see as instructional shortcomings or player skill shortcomings.

I am not saying to blow-off the rule book. A coach must know and understand every rule of the game. But, the coach must know when to go, or not to go, to battle over a perceived rule violation.

Remember, as a coach, you are there to teach the game.

 

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I think I would go shake the hand of any 10 year old that hit one out and then walk her the next time lol!