Do you take her home run away? (The Softball Zone Radio Show Thread of the Week) Episode #9

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You yell at your pitcher telling her that's not what you called so everyone doesn't blame you. See above regarding sarcasm.

 

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It's one of the longest enduring rule MYTHS that any touching of a runner is an automatic out...but it is just that: a MYTH. It is a gross misinterpretation of the rules about coaches assisting a runner.
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First, I would hope that he said nothing because no rule was broken. But if he did, then I would hope that the umpire wouldn't call the out because no rule was broken. But if he did, then I would hope that the offensive team's coach would file a protest... because no rule was broken!

Excellent and thorough coverage of the topic. If you haven't done so already, you should save posts like these so you can copy and paste them the next times they come up.

 

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Then one day it hit me. As a coach, I needed to be doing more instructing and let the skills of our team decide the game instead of me digging up some obscure rule to mask the inabilities of our team.

Haven't we all seen coaches who need to institute this way of thinking? !!

 

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Great responses. What if she is 14? 16? College? Bretman I know you are the resident rule expert here, yet i have seen home runs negated because the player was touched before the batter crosses the plate. Watch the college games...the umpire is watching very closely to make sure nobody touches her before she crosses the plate.

you don't think the first base coach high fives her on her way by?

 

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This happened in a 10u game in Whitehall this past weekend. I was watching my dd on another field, so didnt see it first hand. I'm sure someone here on OFC did see it, and can tell us what call was made.

 

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This happened to us this weekend. My U10 player hit a walk off homerun (she was the run to officially run rule the opposing team in bracket play). A few of my U10 girls high five'd her a foot before she stepped on the plate. This was this girl's first home run over the fence. The opposing coach complained to the umpire. The umpires conferred and called her out. It was the most classless act I have ever seen. After the game, I went to the umpire chief on site. He told me the only time a player would be out is if she was assisted by her teammate(s) to home plate. So, the umpires got it wrong not to mention should never have entertained the appeal from the opposing coach.

Personally, I would congratulate the player, especially a 10 year old.

 

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Can we agree that its 10U, 12U, 14U, 16U, 18U for softball as opposed to $occ3R? As in "10 and Under" not "under 10". Sorry, its semantics but it is a pet peeve.

That being said, what a compete busch league thing to do on the opposing coach's part and complete and utter ignorance of the rules on the umpires part.

 

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jjose --who were you playing ??? Please call them out by name.

 

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Wasnt there to see it happen but heard about it sunday while watching our 01 team and 03 play in the finals. Happend in the Slammers 03 stingrays 03 game from what i understand

 

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My team would not of left the feild until the TD and UIC were there. That is a bone head call period. Oh Julie I just seen that it was a run rule. Still bad call

 

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my neighbor and good friend of 30 years was umping there this weekend...said it was not a good scene. Had a few hit out on us last year as 10 s did more admiring of the shot than looking to see if they were doing something wrong. lol

 

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cz, for someone as knowledgeable about the game of softball and preaches about maintaining the integrity of the game, I believe you should have known that rule and the answer to your own question. You should have just congratulated her. If you believe it is truly about the girls...let it be about the girls. It is not wise to preach it one way and "teach" it another way. Obviously the coaches didn't know the rule as well as the umpires.

 

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Wasnt there to see it happen but heard about it sunday while watching our 01 team and 03 play in the finals. Happend in the Slammers 03 stingrays 03 game from what i understand

CZ, don't you have a daughter that plays on Stingrays 03? Is that why this thread was started, come on! Tell us what happened?

 

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Losing coach playing "Monday Morning Quarterback"...

---'Yes, the girl hit a walk off home run to beat us...but she was 'touched' running the bases, so I SHOWED THEM and protested the call...' (Not a story I'd want to share with anyone lol !!! )

Who in their right mind wouldn't pack their stuff and exit the field immediately (?) - take your lumps and move on!!!

 

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I can tell you had the roles been reversed, Julie would have congratulated the young lady and taken the defeat. A couple of years ago my DD was pitching against the Slammers in 10U. After a few Slammers had scored, in the top of the 1st, it was discovered that the rubber was at 40 feet, instead of 35. The TD came out and moved the rubber, but said according to USSSA rules, the runs would stand and play would resume at the correct distance. Julie would not hear of it and demanded that the game start over. I'm just saying, Julie walks the walk too...

 

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I do know a kid who hit her very first homerun over the fence and was called out for missing 3rd base but it was the correct call. And after a couple days is a very funny memory.

 

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Oh, let that dead horse be dead. :-D
My team was idle this past weekend. It's just a question.
I was at practice this past weekend and one of my girls took one deep. As she rounded the bases the next batter mailed her before she crossed the plate. That turned into a coaching opportunity for me.

And it happened in a 10U game, interesting.

 

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CZ, don't you have a daughter that plays on Stingrays 03? Is that why this thread was started, come on! Tell us what happened?

In fact I do & I was the person who brought this to the attention of the head coach for Stingrays. I had seen this very thing enforced before and I explained that to him. For the record, the coach's first reaction was "No...let it go." Kudos to him. Fact is..I pressed him and am the one who probably forced his play by saying that our (coaches) responsibility to the team is to help them as much as we can, within the limits of the rule. Having personally seen this very thing enforced before, I had full belief that this rule existed. I explained to the head coach where I observed it being enforced & only then did he agree to bring it to the umpire's attention. There is something that must be known about the head coach in this situation.
1. He felt very bad about doing this & in fact he had his entire team sign a separate ball & persented it to the Slammers player who hit that shot when they were shaking hands. He is a very classy head coach who was convinced to do something in the heat of competition to help his team. I thought it was a rule & so did the umpires.
2. At the post-game chat with the team, he explained to this to them & he honestly felt like it was morally wrong, but within the rules.
It was a nice hit & let it be known that it was very close game at that time. Maybe 5-2 when that ball was hit.

So...here's a question I put right back out there. Change the scenario. It's not a home run, but rather a bomb that she hits & she clears loaded bases with a stand-up triple. She misses first base on her way around the bases. Do you, as the opposing coach, appeal that to the umpires? Absolutely you do, because that is your responsibility to your team. Anybody who says they would not appeal that is lying because that is one of our responsibilities during games. We hear parents all the time "She left early blue...The pitcher is illegal, blue." 14U, 12U, 8U...we all want our teams to win. That girl from the Slammers was the MVP of that game. Excellent catcher...great hitter. You will see that girl a lot in the years to come!

Folks do not berate the head coach for the '03 Stingrays...he was doing what he thought was within the rules to help his team in a pivotal part of the game & he was at first hesitant to follow through with the umpires on that. Remember...it was permitted & this is not the first game in which this has happened.


As of this moment, I am still waiting on the Admin to read my PM so he can take this thread down before it goes crazy & the angry lynch mobs appear.

 

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And now...POP.. a whole other can of worms has been opened and I gracefully exit- stage left. Regards.

 

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Oh, let that dead horse be dead. :-D
My team was idle this past weekend. It's just a question.
I was at practice this past weekend and one of my girls took one deep. As she rounded the bases the next batter mailed her before she crossed the plate. That turned into a coaching opportunity for me.

so this did not happen at practice?