High School Girls playing travel ball before High School Season is Over

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Simple, if your HS program is still playing you can't play or practice with travel teams.. Why are so many travel coaches so selfish? Wait your turn! I'm not saying all travel coaches. But a few bad apples spoil the barrel. Like other sports (VB & BB) we share atheletes, please let us have our HS season.

So the JV girls who aren't going to play should just have to sit around and not practice because the girls on varsity arestill playing??? If anything, the JV girls that didn't make varsity need to have the chance to improve, why lose a few weeks of practice just because you aren't good enough to play varsity yet? Where is the logic in that?

 

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Here is my little 2 cents on interpretation.. Correct there is no written release from highschool coaches( maybe there should be and that would cause less problems) but the player still needs to be released by rule none the less. If you are solely a JV player and are not playing with varsity at end of season then simply ask you coach if you are done. If they say yes, ten you are clear to play Travel. I had one player this year that her coach said, No you are not realeased until team is done. She did not play practice or travel with the team, but she was rostered and was not released! Thankfully she is now. But that is how the rule is interpreted by me and I dont see many holes in it..

Ask your highschool coach if you are released and should not be a problem? See and if you are afraid to ask, cause you already know the answer is NO, but you really want to play Travel still.. then you are probably in that illegal boat and you are just hoping ignorance is the key.. Just ask and then you know if you have that, " release" or not..It's that simple

Absolutely correct. Just ask the coach.

There is a difference of being on Varsity and being rostered for the tournament. A good coach will roster the majority of Varsity and JV players for the tournament. You never know when someone will get hurt and now you need a JV player to fill a role in the tournamemnt.

As discussed on an earlier thread, a coach can roster as many people that he wants, but only 18 girls can be listed on the game card. But, all of the girls on the roster need to remain eligible in case they are needed.

 

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So the JV girls who aren't going to play should just have to sit around and not practice because the girls on varsity arestill playing??? If anything, the JV girls that didn't make varsity need to have the chance to improve, why lose a few weeks of practice just because you aren't good enough to play varsity yet? Where is the logic in that?

So your saying that missing 2 weeks of summer practice could make or brake some of these kids? I can not imagine that 2 weeks will kill these kids considering they will play 40 to 60 games this summer.
In the end these JV players need to remain eligible for there Varsity if they are needed due to injuries during a tournement run, after all I thought the idea of summer ball was to get better for your High School team not the other way around. jmho

 

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CGS as well as Crush1 are 100% correct . If you are on the OHSAA official roster, which all JV players are, you are not released just because your JV games are done. You could still be asked to fill in on the 18 player roster that the coach has to turn in before each tourney game.

Bottom line..If your team is still in the tourney then you are not able to play or practice with your travel team until the season is over.

The only way you could is to get a "Release" which is a verbal, from your HS coach that your HS season is complete and you can participate with your travel team. This doesn't necessarily have to be verbal, it could be assumed, as many of you on here are taking it, but the HS coach must be aware that you have practiced/played with your travel team so he doesn't make the mistake of taking you to a game and putting you in the game. Could cost that team and coach the game.

Some of you are spouting out info trying to be helpful that is flat out WRONG!! If you are not 100% certain of the rules you should not be speaking out on it as an authority. You are going to get someone into trouble!!

 

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So your saying that missing 2 weeks of summer practice could make or brake some of these kids? I can not imagine that 2 weeks will kill these kids considering they will play 40 to 60 games this summer.
In the end these JV players need to remain eligible for there Varsity if they are needed due to injuries during a tournement run, after all I thought the idea of summer ball was to get better for your High School team not the other way around. jmho

Thank you lady knights!!!!!!!!!!.......and Wave Rider was your last sentence a joke or are you serious?

 

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If you are on the OHSAA official roster, which all JV players are

NOT TRUE - not every single JV player is automatically rostered on a varsity team for post season - all you need to do is ask the coach - this is NOT AUTOMATIC!!

EVERY SCHOOL IS DIFFERENT - there are plenty of schools that just take the normal 18 total girls - original 12 Varsity plus 6 JV - other schools do the abnormal by rostering 30 or more - but that is unusual and i think abusive since they are not needed.

Just ask the coach who they rostered - that is the easist and fastest way to get your answer - why go back and forth on this!

 

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Can any one tell me the difference between the official roster and the 18 player roster for post season??

 

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At dd's HS, the day tournaments started, the coach had all girls from JV/Freshmen that were not being moved up to varsity turn in their uniforms and wished them luck this summer with their travel team.

 

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ok - lady knights - yes I know who you are - I am guessing you know me - what I am trying to say - is we are not talking about the roster that is given at field of play - we are talking about the roster that is handed into the state the first day of post-season that has all players which can be as low as 12 or as high as 36 of any high school player that can at any time be asked to play. This does not mean girls with or without uniforms it is a list from coach to OHSAA.

Now - i will give an exact example. we have 3 high school team - Varsity, JV and freshman. We have 12 girls on each team during regular school ball. On May 15th as instructed our head Varsity coach turned in a list to the state with 18 players - adding to the Varsity roster 3 from JV and 2 from freshman. All the other players not on this roster - after thier school season is over are now able to play travel ball with no restrictions.

That is all that is needed. Now if the person who started this chain just simply asks thier coach via email or phone or in person, if thier DD is rostered for post-season play - the answer is quite simple - if they are not rostered - GO HAVE FUN PLAY SUMMER BALL - HOPE TO SEE YOU OUT THERE!!!

and Lady Knights - I hope to see you and your gorgeous red eyed DD - soon
Hope we are still friends

 

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So your saying that missing 2 weeks of summer practice could make or brake some of these kids? I can not imagine that 2 weeks will kill these kids considering they will play 40 to 60 games this summer.
In the end these JV players need to remain eligible for there Varsity if they are needed due to injuries during a tournement run, after all I thought the idea of summer ball was to get better for your High School team not the other way around. jmho

Who said make or break? These girls are not good enough (theoretically) to be on varsity. Since they are playing summer travel ball, I am making the assumption their goal IS to play varsity, so why punish them for not being good enough (yet) to make their varsity team? Why punish a girl for two weeks who wants to practice and work to get better?? If 2 extra weeks of practice doesn't help you, you need to change the way you practice!

 

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Who said make or break? These girls are not good enough (theoretically) to be on varsity. Since they are playing summer travel ball, I am making the assumption their goal IS to play varsity, so why punish them for not being good enough (yet) to make their varsity team? Why punish a girl for two weeks who wants to practice and work to get better?? If 2 extra weeks of practice doesn't help you, you need to change the way you practice!

I think that you missed the point, are you telling me that 2 weeks of practice will make that big of a difference come next spring? If it was my kid I would place much more value in the 50 games of experience this summer over 2 weeks of missed practice.

 

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Maybe some of you should read the thread- This is why girls play High School Softball.
A whole bunch of truth in that thread.

 

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and Lady Knights - I hope to see you and your gorgeous red eyed DD - soon
Hope we are still friends

I think you have me confused with someone else.....I assume the red eyes means crying, which I'm 100% positive you have never seen my DD do.

 

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I haven't read the OHSAA bylaws in a while, but I don't recall anything in there about a "release," as cgs also stated. Unless I'm wrong, I don't think there is such a thing as an official release.

I'm trying to remember how the official rosters work for districts/regionals/state. If coaches can submit a new roster for each of those levels, then I would say JV players (or any player not on the roster for districts) are not eligible to play travel ball until the hs season is done. If those players cannot be legally rostered for districts/regionals/state, then I would argue their "season" is done and they are now free to begin with their travel teams.

Again, I don't think there is anything in the OHSAA bylaws about a "release" from coaches. If that's the case, as it pertains to legality, nothing a coach says is relevant. If an OHSAA commissioner talks about a "release" and there is nothing in the bylaws about a release, then they are making up rules off the top of their heads.

 

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When a coach goes to the district draw each school turns in an eligibility list that can include as many players as you desire. OHSAA recommends it include all of your players at all levels in case of an issue arising that could wipe out a group of players such as a group being caught at a party with alcohol, or a group getting into an accident. Lots of things can happen. Those players on that list are locked down and not released. When you reach the District semis you are required to turn in a list of up to 18 players that are eligible for those two district games. The remaining players on that eligibility list are still locked however even if they don't appear on that list of 18.

When you reach the regionals it starts all over again. The schools must turn in an eligibility list of all girls that could play in the tournament. Again those girls are still locked down. You also again turn in a list of 18 players that can play in the Regional games.

If a player practices with her summer team and is inserted into a tournament game, that player is ineligible and that team's season is then over if the payer is caught and verified.

I saw a player from a team that was eliminated last night practicing with her summer team this past weekend. She was far from her home base and probably figured no one would know. Be aware that eyes are everywhere and if reported and verified you are jeopardizing your team. If it were me that is one weight I would not want to carry for the rest of my life!! It is a few weeks - chill out and enjoy your team's ride. You can always practice on the side with your friends, parents, siblings as long as it is not an organized practice with your summer team or any other team.

 

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Some people just have a hard time going along with stupidity and that is what this rule is, stupid. No matter what the correct version is. A girl has to be thinking (and her family too) I'm done but can't go on with my life, can't continue my passion, can't go get better at something I love. During the season they are thinking, I can't go work with the people I trust to develop me, help me get better, I can't put in the extra effort, the above and beyond to improve my skills. That's just stupid. I agree 100% and say go for it.

Classicpride, I see what your saying about enjoying the team's ride but someone driven to succeed doesn't have the "chill out" in them. I think you have to applaud that. A lot of mediocre players out there chilling out all the time. That's why they are mediocre. The better players are constantly working it. I'm sure Tiger Woods growing up didn't chill out for any spans. He saved that until he got married. hehe

 

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Lady Knights, ""Some of you are spouting out info trying to be helpful that is flat out WRONG!! If you are not 100% certain of the rules you should not be speaking out on it as an authority. You are going to get someone into trouble!!""
Sounds good to me. Maybe we could have a revolution?? Travel ball players form a Spring Softball Season and just forget the foolishness of dealing with inane high school folks.

 

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Lady Knights, ""Some of you are spouting out info trying to be helpful that is flat out WRONG!! If you are not 100% certain of the rules you should not be speaking out on it as an authority. You are going to get someone into trouble!!""
Sounds good to me. Maybe we could have a revolution?? Travel ball players form a Spring Softball Season and just forget the foolishness of dealing with inane high school folks.

There is nothing inane about wanting to play for your school and community, my kid has multiple state titles and national finishes in the summer but the only title she remembers is a school title.

 

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I have not been on this site in years. I see the same old discussions. End this debate. It is so clear. To not understand is to not want to understand.

IN 2010 the official end of the season is June 12, 2010 Until that date you are a member of the high school team. JV, Varsity, Freshman has no impact on the rule. Up to that date the coach can call a practice, set-up a scrimmage, etc. If you play in a travel or rec ball game and then play in a high school game before June 12 you have violated the rule and subject to sanctions. In our program we make the date clear to all, prior to the season. Our players can not play or practice outside the high school team until the 13th of june this year period.

 

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That keeps it simple coach, but as a fellow high school coach, I have two questions:

1) If you were to finish your tournament season and all your regular season games by say May 20th, why would you want to call any practices or anything after, and keep the girls from playing with their travel teams?

2) If your freshman team was done by May 20th, and there was no chance you were ever going to call them up to play with the varsity, why would you keep them from playing?