Pitching and Pitchers Discussion How many games?

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My DD is a pitcher (10U), she is on a travel team for this summer and will also be playing spring ball at 10U level. After travel ball she will move up to 12U and play on a fall ball league.

I'm thinking she will play around 60 to 75 games.

She wants to play as much as possible (she would like to play as much as 100 games), getting as much time on the mound as possible.

My question is what is to much or to little?

Thanks

CJU
 
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There is no set number.

If the girls' mechanics are good, there shouldn't be a problem with her reaching those numbers without causing "harm to the arm". With any pitcher, if they show any sign of pain (not soreness) then back off for a while.

Make sure she warms up properly, and ice the shoulder after games on tournament weekends.
 
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If she is in pain give her a break. Make sure she stretches before warming up and ice, ice, ice after any pitching.
 
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I agree, she should be fine pitching that many games as long as her mechanics are good and she takes care of herself.
 
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Imo...as much as is healthy for her.

In my experience 10u's are happy with 55-80 games...especially if playing in year 2 at 10u. Also has a lot to do with how much she likes her team.

Kavin's 12u team (Static 97) played 101 games last year. Hard to do. Have to have a "family unit" at home and with all families and players to make a high game count season possible. One bad apple is like a cancer for team chemistry. Injuries can ruin many good things. Listen to your DD and all just might wok out.
 
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Hold on! Wait a minute! She is a 10U. That means she is 9 or 10 years old and likely in the 4th grade. I don't care how good her mechanics are; 100 games is way to many when you factor being a kid, and pitching lessons on top of that. She needs to finish a season and then play another sport or play Barbies or color on her own. Your family needs time to go the mountains or the shore. Get a grip; you are in great danger of burning her out before High School and certainly before College.

Since she is playing up I will assume that she has some skill. She will have that skill regardless if she plays 100 games or 50. She will be fresher, less prone to injury with a much better mental attitude over the long haul with fewer games. There will always be a coach that could use her for just one tournament or one more showcase. Give her time to learn the new pitches and work at throwing them without the pressure of game after game. Give her some time to play the tuba. Remember that you must have her best interests at heart. Some coaches will overuse her and once she is broken they will move on leaving you to pickup the pieces. A 10year old has no business playing this many games. When she is 17 and looking at making the national team and still wants to play, you will thank your lucky stars that you finished every season with her still loving the game and wanting more.

Don't do it. Don't let her be s**ked into that performance mentality. It is time for you to be her dad, be an adult.
 
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We always have agreed with our daughter that she would have time off every year. This time was in the fall when she played ****** (no ***. I like the sport);& She always appreciated this and actually looked forward to practicing again. As a pitcher there is a mental side to the game that I believe it is healthy to get away from and take that break. Just some food for thought.
 
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I personally think 100 games is too much as well ... both physically and mentally, stress on families, etc. The 60-75 you mentioned sounds more like it to me.
 
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With her being 10u I agree with thosae saying 100 is too much. I bet she isnt the one wanting 100 games a year..... :)
 
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How to play 100 games a year.

Maybe you can get a weekend at the Spano dome for 5 in late winter. Play an early tournament before the High School season wraps up in late May for another 5. You could then play every weekend of June and July for 9 weekends that would get you about 45 games. You had better get on a national team and plan on some serious traveling in August for maybe two more weekends and another 10 games. Now we are in to fall ball of September and early October, for another 6 weekends and 30 games.

That is what it will take to play 100 games. basically every weekend form late May to mid-October; a span of about 22 weekends. I cannot imagine doing this year in year out for the next 10 years and NOT burning her, your family and you completely out. She will be one of those pitchers that decides life is far better by not picking up a ball.

Do less than half of this schedule and save some weekends for home, perhaps a few for a clinic or two and then perhaps a showcase as she gets older.
 
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Fairman is 100% right! She needs time to rest her arm and take a mental break. Most pitchers shut down for about 6 weeks come middle of August, then start training for the following year. As far as fall ball, I would not let her pitch. Maybe play a different position, and make sure she is having fun doing it.
 
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The best 12u pitcher i ever saw never threw one pitch in collage. Her dad burnt her out so bad when she was 12-16yrs old she never wanted to pick up a ball again.
 
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You may want to consult a physical therapist for advise.
Find out where she is at in her growth and how strong she is.

It just seems in the past few years, I know more and more older pitchers who are sore, tired and injured. YES, injuries are part of the game, I here a lot about stress fractures on the pitching arm.
 
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There are no injuries to a pitcher that throwing more will cure. Avoiding injuries should be on the top every responsible parents (and coach's) list. Sore is one thing-injured is something else. An overuse injury can occur at any time, and the recovery will take weeks and months of extremely limited activity. An overuse injury is the easiest thing to avoid; JUST SAY NO! Don't pitch the 5th game on Sunday, don't throw 100 more practice pitches..... if it hurts, that is your body asking you to stop, pay attention. I can't even imagine how much rest and rehab a stress fracture will require just to get back to her pre-injury status, perhaps a full year, maybe more. (Which upcoming year do you want your daughter to miss?)

Soft 77; What is a physical therapist gonna tell you that you don't already know? This particular player is a 10year old kid who won't reach her adult strength until after her 20th year. Take it easy on her and for gods sake don't hurt her. Allow a little common sense to intervene and let her enjoy this crazy game pain free.
 
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My guess is playing 100 games and assuming 2 or 3 pitchers...., she gets 30-50 games.

For the record none of my teams have played more than 60 games excluding friendlies and scrimmages.

100 games is crazy to me at the younger ages. I also agree...let her play other sports and have some down time. Let her go to slumber parties and such. Still has to be a kid.
 
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League pitching limits. A player can pitch a
maximum of 4 innings in a game.

This is in the league rules for 10u girls in PHBSA. Although it is not travel ball it is a very competitive league.

The one thing that most pitching instructors will tell you is take time off, usually @ a month, no practice or games. Most will tell you to do this after tryouts.

Let her pitch as much as she wants if she is with a good pitching instructor. One who has your daughters health as the top priority and you listen to their advise.
 
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League pitching limits. A player can pitch a
maximum of 4 innings in a game.

This is in the league rules for 10u girls in PHBSA. Although it is not travel ball it is a very competitive league.


The one thing that most pitching instructors will tell you is take time off, usually @ a month, no practice or games. Most will tell you to do this after tryouts.

Let her pitch as much as she wants if she is with a good pitching instructor. One who has your daughters health as the top priority and you listen to their advise.

The problem with handling pitching limits in this manner is that you take the competitive spirit out of the hands of the pitcher. You want your pitcher to learn "how to win" from a young age. By forcing them to split innings with another pitcher - even when they are doing their best - you pull the rug from under them! A kid also has to know that the game is "on their shoulders" - that's what competition is all about!! If that's too much pressure, they probably shouldn't be in the circle.

For starters, the number of innings pitched has no relationship with pitch count. 4 innings could equal anywhere from 12 pitches (perfect game) to 112 pitches!! If the purpose of a rule is to limit pitch count over a certain period of time... well, COUNT THE DARN PITCHES!! Most youth league baseball orgs. now do it this way. As soon as the pitch limit is reached, they finish the current batter, then that pitcher is done for that period.

Freshman year in high school, (if I remember correctly) I set a limit of around 75 pitches for my 14 yr. old son, followed by a minimum 2 days rest. The coach knew that, and he was looking for the relief pitcher if he reached that limit. For fastpitch, I never had a limit on my DD. She generally averaged 80 - 100 pitches per game, with an average of 2 games/day during tournaments. There were times at 16u when her co-pitcher was injured that we stretched that a little at showcase tournaments, but that was not the norm. She usually got "jelly legs" before her arm/shoulder got sore. 18u through college, she noticed more forearm soreness from more emphasis on spins.

Bottom line is follow what your DD is telling you - body English included. Sure, she may not verbally complain when she's very young because she's being obedient and pleasing Dad. Every kid is built different - some are workhorses with great mechanics, while others are a tad frail and their bodies are more susceptible to repetitive motion injury. As a parent, YOU MUST be honest with yourself for the benefit of your daughter. Every pitcher should have a certified sports-specific trainer/PT professional, AND a physician who is very familiar with her sports activities. Any signs of lasting pain is a sign that something is wrong, and must be checked by one of these professionals.
 
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My DD is a pitcher (10U), she is on a travel team for this summer and will also be playing spring ball at 10U level. After travel ball she will move up to 12U and play on a fall ball league.

I'm thinking she will play around 60 to 75 games.

She wants to play as much as possible (she would like to play as much as 100 games), getting as much time on the mound as possible.

My question is what is to much or to little?

Thanks

CJU


If your daughter is splitting time pitching on her spring league and on her travel team, that amount of games might not be too much. Last year my dd was a 1st yr 12u and she pitched (every other game) for her local OGSO team, and also pitched (rotated in) for her travel team. Between the summer league and her travel team, she probably threw about 27-30 games and she would be the first to say she wanted to pitch more. I'm NOT a fan of fall ball though- some times as parents we have to MAKE our kids take a break for a bit and then in the off season, master pitches, location etc. Also, since your daughter will be moving up to 12u this fall, (using a 12" ball and going to 40ft.), the off season is the time to make this adjustment. JMHO
 
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My dd is 9yo this year and played 10U as an 8 last year. We played in 26 tournaments from Sept-Aug. TOO MANY!!!!!!!! We played around 166 games by going deep into every tournament. This year as mostly a 2001 team we will play 20 tounaments in one per month from Sept-Feb. Then we kick it up in the spring. The number of games will depend on success in tournaments. We use 3-4 pithchers and almost never have a pitcher throw more than 3inn in one game. It is a lot of softball at young age, but we leave plenty of down time for other sports. We have 6 3 sport girls on the team. We take a lot of time of through Nov. and Dec. and have a few other breaks throughout the year to get totally away from softball for a bit. We are looking for around 80-90 games this year. That being said, WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT ANOTHER PITCHER. WE ARE BASED IN INDIANAPOLIS. WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN EXPERIENCED NUMBER 1. PM me if interested in info.
 
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