New OHSAA baseball bat rules

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Pardon me for just waking up to this, but I saw stories this week about how the new highg school baseball bat rules are changing the game because they react much like wood as far as cutting down on the trampolining effect and so on. What's the deal with softball. Will the OHSAA step into fast pitch with the same kind of regulations?
 
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Keep in mind that these are not OHSAA rules. They are the rules of the NFHS, the national governing body for high school athletics, to which Ohio is a member. Of course, any state that is a member can modify, adapt or ignore any rule as they see fit. But it would be kind of pointless to not follow this new rule. The bat manufacturers have switched over to the new standard and you can't even buy the older style bats anymore.

The NFHS uses the ASA bat standards for softball. There really doesn't seem to be any rush on their part to tinker with the bat standards. If anything, the softball world has been way ahead of the baseball world when it comes to bat testing, performance and regulations. Over the past decade they have already made some changes that baseball is just getting around to making.

I guess that you can never say never....but I don't see the softball bat rules changing so radically any time soon.
 
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Those that can hit using good mechanics with proper techniques and balance will still hit no matter what they do to the bats in my opinion.

A lot of the concern is the bats are getting hotter as they are used and exceed the 98 MPH limit. This in my opinion is where each bat manufacturer is always trying to find a way to make their product better as they should as this is why they are in business.

However when they knowingly make a bat that will exceed the standard they may in fact put players at risk due to many facets of the material being used. This could put players at risk for various reasons especially their skill ability to field the ball that may exceed 98 MPH or break while using their product.

You will find a lot of varying styles injected into any athletic activity and some can make it work and some can not. Some practice more than others and it shows during their activity no matter what sport they play.

I have talked about this at clinics that unless you learn the mechanics first, it is difficult to inject style into your swings when you can not even stay balanced or see the ball using a good two eyed look or use a proper grip.

Howard
 
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If anything, the softball world has been way ahead of the baseball world when it comes to bat testing, performance and regulations. Over the past decade they have already made some changes that baseball is just getting around to making.

Not necessarily correct. Baseball did not nerf the bats per se, but they did decrease the allowable weight drop from -8 to -3, reducing bat speed significantly thus reducing performance. Now that the athletes are stronger and faster, they further reduced bat performance using BBCOR standards, vaulting them ahead of fastpitch softball.

Len
 
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If OSHAA starts making rules about which Bar i can go to i am finished with softball ( sorry philbob i couldent resist )
 
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Not necessarily correct. Baseball did not nerf the bats per se, but they did decrease the allowable weight drop from -8 to -3, reducing bat speed significantly thus reducing performance. Now that the athletes are stronger and faster, they further reduced bat performance using BBCOR standards, vaulting them ahead of fastpitch softball.

Len

Do you know for sure when high school baseball went to the -3 drop? When I started umpiring baseball 12 years ago the bat drop was -3.

I don't know if I'd say baseball has "vaulted ahead" of softball- maybe "vaulted behind" depending on how you look at it (because their bats are less hot now).

The new BBCOR bat standard encorporates Accelerated Break In (ABI) techniques, to ensure that a bat doesn't get "hotter" with use and exceed the spec. ASA started doing that about five years ago.

The new high school bat rule is such a departure that it renders all previous high school bats obsolete/illegal. That's a pretty radical change that demonstrates how different the bat performance will be. But ASA made their last radical of this nature a decade ago.

The newest baseball rule books, in the rules covering bats, break down and define each portion of a legal bat (barrel, taper, grip, knob, etc.). In other words, they have copied the exact same format that ASA began using about four years ago.

One interesting footnote...while high school baseball has totally changed their bat standards, this year they have also eliminated the mandatory pre-game equipment check by the umpires! We no longer have to rummage through the dugouts and handle players equipment, which on more than one ocassion served to start the game off on a contentious note. Now, the coaches are responsible for making sure their equipment is legal- and the penalties are more severe if it's not.
 
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It has changed the game at the high school level for sure, but really all the National Federation did was follow NCAA rules from a year ago.
 
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That's OK BD, I laughed when I saw your post. This thread was the last thing I typed in before calling it a night, and didn't think to proofread what I typed. When I saw it, I wondered who would be the first.
 
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Do you know for sure when high school baseball went to the -3 drop? When I started umpiring baseball 12 years ago the bat drop was -3.

I don't know if I'd say baseball has "vaulted ahead" of softball- maybe "vaulted behind" depending on how you look at it (because their bats are less hot now).

The new BBCOR bat standard encorporates Accelerated Break In (ABI) techniques, to ensure that a bat doesn't get "hotter" with use and exceed the spec. ASA started doing that about five years ago.

The new high school bat rule is such a departure that it renders all previous high school bats obsolete/illegal. That's a pretty radical change that demonstrates how different the bat performance will be. But ASA made their last radical of this nature a decade ago.

The newest baseball rule books, in the rules covering bats, break down and define each portion of a legal bat (barrel, taper, grip, knob, etc.). In other words, they have copied the exact same format that ASA began using about four years ago.

One interesting footnote...while high school baseball has totally changed their bat standards, this year they have also eliminated the mandatory pre-game equipment check by the umpires! We no longer have to rummage through the dugouts and handle players equipment, which on more than one ocassion served to start the game off on a contentious note. Now, the coaches are responsible for making sure their equipment is legal- and the penalties are more severe if it's not.

Here's the timeline of the non-wood bat from Arcadiasports.net:

1974- Metal bats are introduced to college baseball for the first time, just four years after they were developed.

1998 -Following a 21-14 College World Series championship game and a season of record offense, the NCAA takes the first major action to control the performance of metal bats, reducing the size of bat barrels by 1/8 of an inch (to a maximum of 2 5/8 inches) and establishing a limit between the difference in the length of a bat and its weight. So-called -3 bats have been the standard since then, so a 34-inch bat must weigh at least 31 ounces. The same year, the Baseball Research Center was founded with a $400,000 grant from Major League Baseball and Rawlings Sporting Goods at the University of Massachusetts-Lowell. The lab and the NCAA helped to develop the Ball Exit Speed Ratio (BESR) test in the first true scientific measure of the performance of baseball bats.

2008
– After the bat standards of the late 1990s tempered offense in high school and college, offensive numbers gradually crept up through the 2000s. The NCAA and other organizations realized the BESR standard had limitations, so they developed a new standard, the Bat-Ball Coefficient of Restitution (BBCOR), announced in September 2008. The BBCOR test was considered more accurate and was expected to be implemented in metal bats over several years.
2009 - In July, based on increasing offense and complaints from coaches and others, the NCAA issues a moratorium on composite bats. The timetable was moved up due to worries about improper tampering with bats improving their performance, usually attributed to a process known as bat rolling. The NCAA’s memo announcing the decision read in part: “Before the committee’s recent meeting, numerous concerns were voiced by the membership with a request for action. After a thorough review of compliance testing and a review of the improved performance of composite bats, often exceeding NCAA acceptable limits, these concerns have proven to be valid. Therefore, the committee has decided to put an immediate and indefinite moratorium on the use of composite bats in NCAA competition.“The research reviewed included compliance testing during the Division I Baseball Championship. During this testing, 80 percent of the composite bats tested failed the current NCAA performance level. Because all bat designs must pass this test before mass production, this research indicates that the performance of such bats changed thereafter, most likely due to repeated, normal use and/or intentional alteration. Offensive statistics at the Division I level also indicate a significant increase in batting averages and home runs the past two seasons.”Due to worries about performance improving during the life of a bat, the BBCOR standard was combined with a process known as the Accelerated Break-In procedure (ABI), which tests bats at various stages of wear to assure that they never exceed the maximum performance level allowed by the new rules.

2010 – The NCAA announces that beginning with the 2011 season, all bats must meet the BBCOR standard, including the ABI process. Other college governing bodies follow suit. California high schools will also follow the NCAA standard right away. The National Federation of High School Athletic Associations follows the NCAA by imposing a moratorium on composite bats and announces a plan to move toward the BBCOR standard.


2011 – For colleges, only BBCOR bats will be permitted. To allow its member schools to make a smoother transition, and account for the limited availability of the new BBCOR bats, the NFHS will allow some BESR bats for one more season. BESR standard aluminum bats, BESR standard composite bats that have received a waiver for meeting the ABI, all one-piece solid wood bats, and all BBCOR standard aluminum and composite bats will be permitted. All other composite bats are prohibited.

2012 – For the NFHS, effective Jan. 1, 2012, only bats (composite or aluminum alloy) meeting the BBCOR performance standard will be permitted.


Len
 
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Softball will not be far behind. 98 mph exit speed did not solve anything expect the proliferation of technology taking over the fundimentals of hitting. As the bats equal out more emphysis will be placed on bat MOI. But utimately safety concerns will transition the bat comp rules to more closely reflect what was done in baseball.
 
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