OHSAA Email Regarding Club Team Rules

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OK what if the pitcher they are playing is just slow does that count as slowpitch?? :)

Had to couldn't resist...

4.4) A girl playing on a school fast pitch softball team MAY participate on a non-interscholastic slow pitch softball team at the same time with the permission of the
school coach.
 
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The other point to remember is even if your club team is not sponsored by the school that in your league if any school that you play is sponsored all teams in the league need to follow the OSHAA rules.
 
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But seriously, as soon as the school year starts is when it counts, it doesn't matter if they haven't tried out yet. OHSAA considers it "under one roof" even if Freshman or 7th grade it's under the roof of the school umbrella...
 
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The other point to remember is even if your club team is not sponsored by the school that in your league if any school that you play is sponsored all teams in the league need to follow the OSHAA rules.


This hits the ball right with the bat. And Joe A. you are exactly right. If the girls from a school play together on a non interscholastic softball team, they are considered members of a squad that represent the school.

Whether interscholastic or non interscholastic, OHSAA rules apply to both and that is to prevent or discourage teams or schools from going off on there own.

As a high school coach, I like when I get school ball players. They are usually sharp and have played about 12 ro 17 games. They are game ready.

My question is why not just put together your Middle School team and just go play in 3 to 4 tournaments over the weekend. Don't play a school schedule at all. There are tournaments that are in March and April and some indoor tournaments in Feb. I know of a team up North of Dayton that does that. We played our first tournament of the Summer against them and they were bragging that they already had 40 games of tournament play. They were a great team and were already seasoned at the start of the Summer select season.
 
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Humor me please.

For those of you that still believe non recognized MS teams must adhear to OHSAA rules for fastpitch. What is the penalty if I don't follow OHSAA rules for my MS spring team. Is my 7th grade DD not going to be eligable for...what? What is the penalty for a HS girl who doesn't follow this rule. Is she not eligable for Volleyball next year or Basketball?
 
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I'll have to look up the exact wording, but I believe the first infraction can carry up to one year loss of eligibility for all sports.
 
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We need a Philadelphia lawyer to rule on this. It's crazy when it can be interpreted so many different ways.

What do you think about the tournament ideal? It's in my previous post.

Ringer, why is it wrong? And how do other people feel about that statement. I know two A.D.'s that say that and one of them in in charge of the whole Southwest District. He has talked to the higher ups with Ohssa The fact that there is so much confusion says that the By laws need to be re written and more specific. People are reading them differently.
 
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OK, If a HS ball player chooses not to play for the HS team she can play travel ball all she wants anytime she wants without any OHSAA restrictions, correct.

SOOOOO... If a MS ball player chooses not to play for the MS team (that doesn't even exist), she can play for my spring team without any OHSAA restrictions, correct.
 
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The other point to remember is even if your club team is not sponsored by the school that in your league if any school that you play is sponsored all teams in the league need to follow the OSHAA rules.

tcopley: From which OHSAA bylaw are you getting this rule? I'd look, but I no longer keep an OHSAA Handbook around since I no longer need it. And when you say "club" team, what type of team do you mean? If it is not sponsored by the school in any way, it's basically a private team and the OHSAA has no jurisdiction over it. If it's a school club team, then perhaps you mean that the teams it plays must all be teams that come under the OHSAA umbrella, which would mean it can't play travel teams.

Anyway, if you can give me the bylaw you're referring to, I'll take a look.
 
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Does anyone understand the ruling on "age limitations"? Does this mean that girls that are not in the 7th or 8th grade can not play for the middle school? Or is it based purely on age either younger or older then let's say younger than 12 to older than 14 years of age?
 
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Section 2. Age Limitation

4-2-1 If a student enrolled in high school attains the age of 19 before August 1, the student shall be ineligible to participate in high school interscholastic athletics for the school year commencing in that calendar year.
EXCEPTION: If the student is a "child with a disability" as that term is defined at 42 U.S.C. Section 12102 (ADA) and the Regulations promulgated thereunder, and the student's specific disability has contributed significantly to the student's inability to meet the requirements of this bylaw, that student may be declared eligible by the Commissioner if, in the Commissioner's sole discretion, the Commissioner determines that:
a) the student does not pose a safety risk to himself/herself or others; and
b) the student does not enjoy any advantages in terms of physical maturity, mental maturity or athletic maturity over other student-athletes; and
c) the student's participation does not affect the principles of competitive equity; and
d) there is no evidence of "red-shirting" or other indicia of academic dishonesty.

4-2-2 If a student enrolled in grade 7 or 8 attains the age of 15 before August 1, the student shall be ineligible to participate in 7-8th grade interscholastic athletics for the school year commencing in that calendar year.
EXCEPTION: If the student is a "child with a disability" as that term is defined at 42 U.S.C. Section 12102 (ADA) and the Regulations promulgated thereunder, and the student's specific disability has contributed significantly to the student's inability to meet the requirements of this bylaw, that student may be declared eligible by the Commissioner if, in the Commissioner's sole discretion, the Commissioner determines that:
a) the student does not pose a safety risk to himself/herself or others; and
b) the student does not enjoy any advantages in terms of physical maturity, mental maturity or athletic maturity over other student-athletes; and
c) the student's participation does not affect the principles of competitive equity; and
d) there is no evidence of "red-shirting" or other indicia of academic dishonesty.

4-2-3 A student shall become eligible for high school athletics when the student attains the fifteenth birthday before August 1, or when the student attains ninth grade standing. The student is eligible at the school where the student is expected to enroll at the ninth grade level.

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In determining the age of a student, the date of birth as recorded in the school records shall be considered as final, except that when birth records, filed within six years after date of birth, are available in the State Bureau of Vital Statistics or a comparable governmental agency, it shall be used. If this information is not available and if the school records do not agree, the earliest date of birth shall be considered the valid date of birth.

4-2-5 Family Bibles, physician's statements, parents' affidavits, baptismal certificates etc., will not be accepted in lieu of birth certificates. Amendments to birth certificates filed after six years from date of birth will not be considered.

for 7th and 8th graders, if the athlete turns age 15 before August 1st, then they are ineligible for Middle School sports.​

For High School Sports, it is age 19 before 1 August.​
 
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does indoor softball have the same rule of only 4 players on a team from the same school?
 
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Indoor ball is not recognized so you can have 15 if you want, but NO school coach can coach the girls
 
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Yes, for purposes of playing the game, indoor ball is not fastpitch. But for purposes of coaching, it is fastpitch. I can't believe the OHSAA hasn't made the 4-player rule applicable to indoor ball. That's one small area of leniency.
 
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I fired off another letter to Roxanne to answer specific questions for me. I will call her as well in the morning
 
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quaker: With regard to the new rule posted by wvanalmsick, please know that it does not apply in the least to any travel softball teams. Any thought otherwise only serves to confuse. I have read it carefully.

Here is what you can take to the bank:

1. The only time a girl can't practice with her travel team is during the school season.

2. No more than four girls from one school can play or practice together on a travel team, with two exceptions. One exception is from June 1 through July 31 (plus one more week, I think it is, for a Nationals). The other exception is for indoor games.

3. The rule listed by wvanlmsick applies only to school teams, as I will specify in a post below this one, and need not concern travel coaches.
 
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Here is the bylaw listed by wvanalmsick, with my analysis:

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"If and when a school or school district sponsors or authorizes a varsity, subvarsity, 7th or 8th grade squad/team that competes with other interscholastic squads in a recognized sport, the school or school district shall be responsible for assuring that any and all such squads/teams comply with all OHSAA Bylaws and Sports Regulations, particularly those related to scholarship, age limitations and contest limitations. For purposes of this Bylaw, a "sponsored" team or squad shall include any "club" sport or team/squad."

If and when a school or school district sponsors or authorizes a varsity, subvarsity, 7th or 8th grade squad/team... The rule applies only to teams sponsored by a school or school district, not a private club or travel team.

in a recognized sport. Applies to school "club" teams in an OHSAA recognized sport.

a sponsored team or squad shall include any 'club' sport or team/squad. The reference to club team/squad is a school club team. These are usually teams that are recognized by the school district, but self-funded. If a school has such a team in an OHSAA recognized sport and calls it a club team, the OHSAA with this rule is stating that such a team must follow OHSAA bylaws.

I would guess the purpose of this rule is to keep a school district from claiming its teams are club teams and not subject to OHSAA bylaws in sports that are OHSAA sports.
 
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Joe, that's the way I was reading it. From reading the earlier posts I had the impression that "Club" was confusing people and, in a vain attempt, was trying to explain it in my earlier post. But, I probably confused myself more than anything else.
 
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