Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Pitching coach won't "release" her?

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Recently heard that one of the players on our fallball team couldn't pitch because her pitching coach hadn't "released" her yet. ? ?What the heck does that mean? ? Was told that her coach doesn't feel she has perfected some of her pitches yet.

I don't get it. ?If you wait until a girl has mastered all her pitches, she'll never play. These are 16u girls, not absolute beginners. ??I mean, isn't this part of what fallball is about?---getting a chance to try out your stuff, workin' it out? ??(I don't want to seem cynical, but I kinda think the coach doesn't want to look bad if the girl isn't aces---not good advertising).

I understand that it isn't just about reps, ---that "perfect practice makes perfect", ?but you gotta let a girl get real-time experience. ?No amount of practice time can substitute for gettin' in the circle and letting 'em fly in a game setting .

 

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katmom a certain pitching coach from NWO area believes that the pitcher needs to get back to basics once a year. This she believes is to break all of their bad habits and start fresh. I am not sure this works, but it is what she beleives. :-? :

 

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I have heard of a pitching coach say to not throw a certain pitch in a game. That pitch is not game ready....but never to not pitch at all in a game. :-? :-? I would guess at this age level she is not a beginning pitcher.

 

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Katjoebenmom,
I agree with everything you say about the coach for not allowing her to play. However, the release part I have a problem with understanding, who is paying who on this deal. ?What right does he have to say when she can play or not play? ? I just don't understand it at all. ?

I do instruct pitching myself, and I look forward to having my students pitch and see how they do. ?In most cases if at all possible I will attend some of their games and actually watch them pitch. ?As I am sure you know, practice pitching is much different than real live game pitching, ?and I personally feel that any coach worth his salt would want his student to pitch in games and get game experience to go along with the instructions. ? ?

Anyway, just my thoughts, but I would like to know how he can keep her from playing fall ball or any ball for that matter. ? By the way, is he allowing her to play High School ? ? Wow, ?I am looking forward to reading the comments on this one. ?

 

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My DD goes to this coach.

The coach in my opinion is right on this one: some of the reasons she does this...

> Most Important: Get back to the basics. She breaks down the motion from the wrist snap all the way to full motion. She does this in order to get rid of any bad habitts the girls aquired in the summer. ?She accomplishes this via drills drills and more drills. Some of the top pitchers in the area go to her. Many of her pitchers if they decide to go on to pitch in college.

> Time for some rest: By doing this it allows the girl bodies and mind to refocus after summer ball. Guard against burn out.

> Well rounded player: This also helps the pitcher to play other positions in fall ball as well work on their hitting.

Pitchers spend so much time perfecting their craft they do not always get a chanc to work on other skills.
Your top pitchers spend more time practicing than any other player.IMHO ?

It is by no means about perfecting her pitches. BASIC'S BASIC'S BASIC'S

 

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Kat that is about the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I would give him or her there release as I was walking out the door looking for another coach.

 

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FP11 I am not sure if this is a good thing to go back to basics or not. I do agree with the rest period if so desired. Some of her students have went on and done well. I just don't like the 6 person at a time format that is used. JMHO

 

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IDIOT ALERT

This is one of the dumbest or strangest things I've heard. Where does he have her? Is she locked in a closet? Is she chained out back in the barn with ankle shackles and she can't leave until her rise ball only drops 3.5 feet and her knuckle slurve fades in and away. Ah never mind, this is just stupid. There has to be more to the story. Maybe her pitching coach is her dad.

 

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PBSfan... I agree with you on the format. Don't have much choice if my DD wants a coach. I beleive there is not a better pitching coach in NWO that I know of.

This coach not only teaches the physical side but the mental side and I attribute my DD sucess on the mound because of it.

 

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Ringer...

get the facts man. you cant go off what some says that does not have a DD going to this coach. Who are you to start calling names when you do not know anything about the facts.

 

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Sounds like this coach knows exactly what he/ she is talking about, and it is great that the player and her parents support and believe in what she is talking about also. I don't think we should be on here second guessing what is going on, unless we are directly involved (parent, player, pitcing coach)

 

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FP11 do like the mental aspect of the coaching she teaches. But not enough one on one time here. We went to Gillis Academy that now has a satellite site in Toledo. http://www.douggillis.com/default.aspx The teacher there Cassie Reeser did a great job with my DD. You took 30 minute lesson once a week. Vidoe taped some of the lessosn to allow the DD to see what she was doing wrong. I thought she did a great job! We picked up more speed and a great rise ball. Unfortunatley after only 1 year with her DD didn't want to pitch anymore.

Ringer this lady is legit. She has had success with her students. The methods are different than most though. But, she has some DII and DII pitchers that are playing in college. I am not sure about DI.

 

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One final word of wisdom.... check out the Ringers disclaimer at the bottom of his posts.....

 

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...and taking mindless swings in a batting cage will make you a great hitter...

 

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I knew of a pitching coach in Central Ohio who had the same philosophy, and I agree. If your DD is struggling with mechanics, you take her to the pitching coach to get it fixed. It will not happen over night!!
If you allow them to pitch in games between lessons, you are re-inforcing those bad habits again. Your wasting everyones time.

 

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Thanks, for pointing that out PBS. It doesn't take much stir the pot. Fastpitchfan you seem to think I was aiming my spear at your pitching coach when in reality it was at the use of "Release". I'm sure that if Kat posted that a kid couldn't pitch because her pitching coach "recommended" her not pitch yet and it is my parental descision, none of this banter could have taken place. You have to admit if someone said, "Sorry, my DD can't hit today because her hitting coach hasn't released her yet." The coach would give a big ol' HUh???? Good hitting mechanics are just as important as good pitching mechanics, right?

 

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Any time Ringer!

 

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Sammy....
However if your a hitting instructor you are using T's and other equipment to work on the technique and fundamentals.

It has been said in order to begin to buid musscle memory you need to do somthing 7000 times. With that being said if your fundamentals are not correct you will be doing yourself a dis-service. You need to know the technique and fundamental in order to be succesful at either pitching or hitting.

I could understand a hitting coach require no hitting off pitchers or machine until they get the fundamentals down.

Sammy... Your statement is very important and you do not even know it.

...and taking mindless swings in a batting cage will make you a great hitter

its called visulization.. and yeh it is very important at anything we do in life

 

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Oh on the "Release" thing....

This coach has the attitude it is her way or the highway. So yes " release" is a mandatory item for her. If you are caught going against her wishes (pitching full motion" she will release you allright. She will send you packing. She is doing something she loves and just happens to get paid for it. So if you do not like her method then dont let the door hit you in the backside.

 

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Thats funny, because I had a player at fallball yesterday tell me she could not finish her swing because her hitting coach told her not to ????? I thought that was crazy but after reading these posts maybe I am crazy