Pitching and Pitchers Discussion Pitching coach won't "release" her?

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Is that the sport that won`t let you use your hands????? I did not think they still played that around here LOL ;D ;D ;D

 

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643dp---you may be thinking he's in to synchronized swimming (I can see how you might get confused and think that). ?

 

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My bad I thought wrong ?

 

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DANG IT!!!!----I missed Prison Break screwin' around on here! > ;D

Gotta love dirty, sweaty guys in a Mexican prison.

 

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Sammy... Your statement is very important and you do not even know it.

...and taking mindless swings in a batting cage will make you a great hitter

its called visulization.. and yeh it is very important at anything we do in life

Huh? What part of my sarcastic statement didn't I understand?

 

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Fastpitchfan,

I totally agree with others that have said if it works for your daughter and you are happy that is the important thing. ?It is not may way and I disagree with it, but that is just my opinion and everyone is different. ?What age is your daughter and the other students if you don't mind telling me. ?Just curious as to how many girls continue with pitching and softball after a couple of years. ?Anyway, what works for your dd is the most important so that is great. ?

I just happen to believe that the motivation and passionate desire from the student, is the most important aspect of playing the game, or in life and I disagree with the drill sergeant approach. ?As my quote states and one of the most respected coaches of all time said, ?I feel, it takes the students desire, and commitment from the inside out, not someone driving from the outside in. ?

Once again, I sincerely mean I wish you and your dd the very best and if it works for you guys that is what is important, but for me, my dd and my students, I would never be this way amd refuse to coach with another adult who feels this way. ?That is just my way and as I have said we all different with different views and ideas, so whatever works, is great. ?

Thank you and have a great day. ?

Just some thoughts from a coach that thinks it is not about me, but about the girls being all they can ?and want to be. ?Drill sergeant: no thanks, ?not for me or my style, been there - done that. ? ?

 

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This subject came up a year ago, same coach, same arguments both sides, only last year there was a debate to turn one girl in because she wanted to pitch Fall Ball.
1.) If you don't want to pitch 'FALL BALL", don't sign up as a pitcher.
2.) ALL pitching coaches have successful and not so successful pitchers. The player
makes all the difference, and what works for them is what should matter.
3.) My daughter started going to a hitting instructor 5 years ago when nobody heard of
"Right View Pro" and now there's clinics all over the place teaching it. In fact there
were people flat out against it who now sponsor the clinics.
4.) Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors for a reason.

I have only have had one question about this method,...What is the procedure for the girls who do go on to pitch in college. There are many games played in the fall in college, and then they pitch all off season. My friend's daughter plays at a DII school where this is the
norm.
I don't want this to sound like an indictment, but two of this coaches students that I know of have eperienced stress fractures this past year. I don't know if this is due to technique or overuse at their age,(Freshman), however the fact remains, they have had built in rest periods, yet they were still damaged by the end of normal High School seasons. I have always enjoyed both of these girls and onl wish them successful recoveries.

 

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? ? This subject came up a year ago, same coach, same arguments both sides, only last year there was a debate to turn one girl in because she wanted to pitch Fall Ball.

This statement is the epitomy of why there is such a divide on this topic. TURN HER IN!!!! Step out of the box people. Is she selling crack on the street corner? Is she fencing un-released '09 Rockettechs? No, she just wanted to pitch some fall ball in A GAME.. A GAME people!!! Don't make this bigger than it is. If softball ceases to be fun for your DD it will cease to be witnessed by you. Turn her in, you got to be kidding me.

 

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i agree what is right for your dd might not be right for everyone elses. I don't think that my dd would
want to go to someone who didn't let her pitch fall. but that's my dd.
you have to find the RIGHT FIT.
after hearing some stories i'm so glad my dd found her pitching coach the right fit
we just think she's wonderful. ? ?we just wish we had found her earlier.

 

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The player should contact her agent about this. Together, with her attorney, review her contract to be sure there aren't any loopholes. She possibly could solve this through arbitration. If all else fails, ask to be traded to another franchise for next season.

 

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The fact that the questions is asked is what raises a flag with me. If someone told me that my daughter could not pitch during fall ball they would have to explain the reason why. If I agreed she would not pitch, if I didn't we would look for another pitching coach. I think it is important to ask the coach what is the reason for such a move and is it something that needs to be addressed.

I can tell you that once you start playing head games with the kids they will figure out what is going on pretty quick. Does this coach do this with all of her students or just the beginers. One of the reasons I ask is that fall can be an important time for some players to get noticed or checked out at camps or exposure tournaments.

 

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Taking the fall to correct your mechanics is not a bad idea. I have found that if a kid is playing they will revert back to the improper mechanics as soon as they step on the field. However, a pitching coach should make the suggestion to the parent and let the parent and kid decide for themselves.

 

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My DD has been going to this coach for the past 2.5 years. We've only ever gone to this coach so our experience is clearly limited. BUT, here's what I know. She does NOT play "head games" with these girls or the parents. She is one of the most straightforward, tell-it-like-it-is coaches we've had in any sport. She has certain training/practice requirements that every pitcher needs to do between lessons. These are things she knows will improve their pitching so if the pitcher does not do these things, the coach will recommend or require going to another coach. ("my way or the highway&quot Personally, I believe the coach has a right to demand a student complete everything the coach asks and if they aren't willing to conform to the plan, the coach has a right not to coach that person. This motivation has worked wonders for my 11 year old. She's done everything she's been asked to do not only because she doesn't want to lose the opportunity to work with this coach, but because she finally understands that all of these requirements/practice plans are in place to improve her pitching. If she does all of a,b, and c, her pitching will improve.

She does the breakdown thing with every pitcher -- I've seen that the older pitchers roll through this fairly quickly. Beginners normally take longer, however, the first fall ball season she played, my daughter was "released" -- up to full motion -- in time to complete the final three weeks of fall ball.

This coach definitely cares about her students; this is not just about the physical aspects of pitching. She spends time teaching the mental aspects of pitching. She talks about grades, nutrition, eating disorders, family concerns, etc.

And, as a parent, you know when you sign up with this coach what you're getting.

 

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Could someone let me know who this coach is. I would like to see if she has room for a couple of kids. If you don't want to be public please PM me.

Thanks

 

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bucks4vr....


You are right on. You said everything I was trying to say but better.

I doubt most of these posters will yet understand, they just do not get it.

STP12-It is not up to the parents. The parents can vote the only way they can and that is go to a different coach. Its just that simple.

 

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Fastpitchfan I think you are the one that doesnt understand. There are alot of us that dont agree with this style, it is just a matter of what you are comfortable with. Yes it is up to the parents they sign the check. Its just that simple!

 

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jdawg, fastpitchfan is right. I just don't get it. I don't even know what "it" is. For my dollar there are an awful lot of very good pitching coaches out there that doesn't require you to relinquish parental rights. BUT, as Bucks4vr stated, you know what you are signing up for and that's what great about this country, freedom of choice, even if fastpitch doesn't know what he talking about.

 

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My dd does not see this coach but we know 4-5 girls who do, they are all excellent pitchers. I also do not agree with the way she handles the situation, but I think I understand her reasoning. Pitching is all about muscle memory and mechanics. Doug Gillis told us once that from his experience with himself and his students a pitchers fundamental flaws tend to come back and haunt them. Issues that you think were resolved years ago crop back up. Getting back to the basics in the fall and reinforcing them thru the winter is what a lot of coaches do. This ends up being a one step back two steps forward approach when readjusting your mechanics and it is easy to see how live games and competition can interfere. My guess is the coach got tired of students not progressing due to outside influences (live games, other coaches, ect.) whatever the case, come spring her students are firing on all cylinders and it?s hard to argue with the results

 

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I just want to anounce that my DD has been "released".

Now you fellow posters do not have to worry about her anymore. She is not being oppressed.

Thank you for all of your concerns.

 

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thank god.