Sharing team stats within!!!!! Right or wrong? 14-u

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I would just like to hear some views on this. I truly believe at this age, competition is a part of EVERYTHING! Is it wrong to share teams stats with each other or should it be kept PRIVATE!! I would like to know your honest opinions to open up my mind to educate myself. Thank you for your feedback!
 
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I send out the weekend stats after every tournament. I also send the season to date stats as well. My thought is none of the stats should be a surprise to anyone that is at the games.
 
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I agree with Flarays. This is not a secret. They know what they did and so does the other players and spectators. I send out the stats as a whole. This also helps them understand when they are not starting what the problem is. Every practice, every game is a tryout. If you want it then you need to produce. Little different for pitchers and catchers as they will get breaks automatically.
 
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As long as who ever is keeping the stats isn't padding them for obvious reasons -- usually a family member . If the stats are legit I'm all for sharing them. I guess I'm a tad jaded .
 
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In my experience, when the coaches shared stats it seemed like it caused more drama as to hits, reached on error, sacs, etc. Parents were asking why their DD would not swing away when the coach asked for a bunt to moe runners. The stats are dependent on game situations and they did not get that. After that season was over, no more stats were shared and seemed like things went back to normal. I try to keep my DD's stats each weekend. May not be 100% accurate with the official book but have a general idea on the batting average.
 
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Static is dead on. This is a production sport. Where and when you play and hit is based on how you perform. Sharing the stats is a tool for the player and parents to see how things stack up. If you don't feel comfortable with the accuracy of the stats being kept then that is a whole different issue. BTW - having the book kept in the dugout or very close by allows that person to ask questions or the coach to offer advice in real time. that solves most questions. As a coach I know if the stats are accurate. Maybe it stems from my days playing golf - but I can go back and review the days stats and replay the game as I look at them. If something is off I change it. The good players want to see how they did - officially. Not by how mom and dad saw things. They know they think they are the best - as it should be. Let the coaches be the reality check.
 
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The main thing with the book too is nobody is going to be perfect with it. All books are probably 90-95% accurate, especially with an electronic scoring device as the game is fast....if I had a doubt on a hit, error,wild pitch or passed ball I'd just ask the coach......

if any parent wanted to complain, I'd hold it out and say you are free to do it...... If they are older, share them for their communications to colleges as well. Younger ones can wait until end of year unless a parent wants to b%#% and then show them how bad the kid is doing ;)
 
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I also believe that to much attention is on batting averages alone. What about on base percentage? This is more important than average I think.
 
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I like sharing stats, all stats. It might be a problem in the beginning but sharing the stats is also a part of the educational process for the kids AND those parents without the knowledge. Once they understand I believe it makes the line up easier to share just as someone else pointed out. There will always be disputes but it seems like after a short educational period early on, it motivates those few that read into it a reason to step up their game and justifies many other facets of the game in regards to the staff and the decisions they make. I also share things like times from home to first and home plate to home plate so everyone can see the difference in the kid's ability to run bases or cover the outfield more efficiently. Used properly, stats can be a coaching staff's best friend, even when a parent with the book tries "help" the cause.

Parents that don't want them have something to hide.
 
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Is it wrong? No. Would I recommend it? No. I used to, but then I quit doing it. While I strongly believe a coach should be able to do this and that the team could actually benefit from it as daboss points out, things have changed. No matter who does the book, and how competent and unbiased they are, some parents are going to take major issue with either the accuracy of it or the fact that they and/or their kid will be embarrassed by it. I hate that it's this way, but it is. If you are going to do it anyhow, I would give that heads up to players and families up front, I would definitely include other stats like OBP, innings played, etc., and I would not put it the names in any order other than their uniform number (i.e., I would not list them in order of top batting average).
 
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I do not even like keeping stats at 10U and 12u. I agree at 14U and above it should not be an issue.

10U and 12U the focus should be on developing proper mechanics and learning the game. I do not think players and parents should be focusing on the results but rather the process.

14U is already miserable so why not add fighting over stats.

By 16U and 18U the players and parents should understand what is happening and adjust accordingly. You gotta have stats to give yourself a measurable.
 
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not picking on you at all Hillard dad but there are situations out there ( as far as stats go) that are so egregious that your 90-95 % guess at accuracy of books is laughable. DD was part of a team where one grandpa kept official book in the dugout , different grandpa kept book in the stands , the guy with the book in the stands called in game reports to the local paper . We had an assist coach taking home the official book and " going over it" . My point is stats can be nearly useless and totally used to pump up players and also to beat down others . Sad , can destroy team chemistry and **** the fun right out of the game. I also agree that sharing team stats is perfectly fine by me , I encourage it .
 
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Dan,
im just talking about the higher level orgs which usually, again usually, not always have better % of stat numbers correct.

No offense taken here... Mine always had perfect fielding and the highest OB % and average.... Lol
 
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I shared stats with individuals parents/players if they wanted them but never gave them a complete copy of all player stats. I would give them feedback on where they rank (bottom ,middle, top) and where they need to work on improvement. For the most part parents know where there kid is when they bat and never asked for the official stats. We as coaches used them for areas of instruction and setting the lineup. I try to avoid embarrassment for players that are struggling. I also disclose these are estimates as we do not employ official score keepers.

Also the level of play matters and the type of team. 14u rec ball, no stats. 14u select limited stat sharing, full travel sharing is okay.
 
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I track hitting and pitching stats and compile them for every weekend event, tournament/Fall Ball, etc., as well as end of year. I've never made a public offer to share them, and up to this point, nobody has ever asked to see them...other than using them as a guide with assistants to spot trends in either direction, which I find is most useful. This can point out changes in a players production and show patterns of where help is needed on their part. (i.e. suddenly flying out a lot, watching 3rd strikes, looking for walks, etc.) I would make a players stats available to them if they were interested, and would probably go so far as to give them their stats, and let them know whether they finished 4th, 2nd, whatever as far as how they stack up against the rest of the team. But I would not just post everyone's stats available for all to see.

All things considered, stats are just one factor in how you structure your line-up, and there is quite a bit that the stats WON'T tell you. Mental mistakes, consistency of motivation, attitude/effort/chemistry, as well as what can be expected of a player at their particular experience level will not show up in any statistical spreadsheet. If stats told you everything one needed to know about a player, showcasing would be unnecessary. All my players will play as much as possible, so we try to predict our opponents strengths and field accordingly. With this in mind, there are opportunities to move players around, so that we seldom have our entire "A" team on the field. This balances out "winning at all costs" with that of enough playing time for development.

It's long been my opinion that when you put a player into a position of permanence, you risk 3 negative factors:

1.) Complacency from no threat to lose their position.
2.) No opportunity in the eyes of other players that desire to "win a spot"
3.) You limit that players versatility and future opportunities (HS/other travel teams, etc.)

Though I don't really pay that close attention to individual defensive stats, I do look for trends there as to where we're breaking down and allowing runs to score. Sort of a view from 20,000 feet. I usually do this before tryouts to figure out what type of player(s) we are looking for that can strengthen the squad as a whole. It rarely means that we are parting ways with players if we need to strengthen a position or two, it could just mean that there are other positions that returning players could be better suited to within our depth chart.

One other thing to consider is that over the course of the year, we may have 3 or 4 different people keeping the scorebook, so much of the end user data could be up to the interpretation of who happened to be keeping score. Factor in those that use Gamechanger or iScore on their own, and rarely will there be any sort of consensus anyway.
 
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I also believe that to much attention is on batting averages alone. What about on base percentage? This is more important than average I think.

In a perfect world, you do have a point. But...I have seen players in the past that shared that view who almost religiously approached an at-bat with the intent of looking for a walk. In those cases, you tend to have an above-average hitter who either walks or strikes out. Instead of taking control of their at-bat, they leave themselves at the mercy of the pitcher and/or umpire.

Which is another illustration of why sometimes sharing hard stats can be a counterproductive exercise.
 

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