Sharing team stats within!!!!! Right or wrong? 14-u

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SheriffBart is right about FlaRays being right about static being right

You're right.

 

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Pitching stats are particularly misleading if you have clearly established #1, 2, and 3's etc. You're always going to pitch your #1 against the best hitting teams and vice versa. Had a dad questioning his dd's pitching time because her stats were so good against poor hitting teams. Always a tough conversation.....

 

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Pitching stats are particularly misleading if you have clearly established #1, 2, and 3's etc. You're always going to pitch your #1 against the best hitting teams and vice versa. Had a dad questioning his dd's pitching time because her stats were so good against poor hitting teams. Always a tough conversation.....

The same could be said about hitting. If a "bench player" only hits against weaker pitching.

 

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I usually don't share stats until the end of the season, individual and team average. I learned the hard way a few years back to not share on a weekly basis. It caused too much drama, questions, and segregation of the team. As far as questioning of parents on my roster decisions, I feel it as this. I trust your daughter to get the job done as a player and in return you should trust the coach. This team always comes first over any individual, period. If not then we don't want you to be part of our family. Sorry!

 

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I'm of the school that stat watching by players as well as parents, is a bad thing that elevates results over process and individual above team....so, I don't see any benefit at all with providing individual stats for either players or parents.....only stat I feel is useful is QABs, Quality At Bats.

 

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I've always kept batting averages for my team, if not more - even in 8U - and the girls and parents loved it because they could see how they were growing and it made them want to try harder and do better. I never use stats to discourage or put a girl down. Its a motivational tool - if you do it right.

I keep stats for our current team with Game Changer in addition to our regular score keeper keeping a book. I've offered the stats to anyone that wants to see them and most parents WANT to see them. I think competition is healthy. I mean... this is a sport after all. Now... do I get questions... yeah.... and I do my best to answer them. I'm not afraid to make a correction if I find a mistake - I've explained to our parents that it won't be 100% accurate. Some stuff - like errors - is a judgement call and I'm human. So far they have accepted that . But ultimately in 12U no one is getting a college scholarship. I keep the stats because it helps us see the strengths and weakness of the girls and the team. Plus it gives us a leg up on teams we face multiple times.

PLUS - Game changer is just freakin cool!!!

 

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Stats are a great coaching tool. I have used them for years to produce what I feel have been successful line-ups. I typically only share the team averages to the team and the player averages with individual players when they ask. It is also a good tool for playing time justifications when asked. Pitching stats are a little more tricky when it comes to passed balls vs. wild pitches. All compiled stats are an effective tool to use for coaches when planning practices, game plans, etc.; defensive and offensively. As a coach, it is great to see them improve as the season progresses.

 

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... I would make a players stats available to them if they were interested, and would probably go so far as to give them their stats, and let them know whether they finished 4th, 2nd, whatever as far as how they stack up against the rest of the team. But I would not just post everyone's stats available for all to see. ...

Although I really am not opposed to stat sharing, I think the above represents the best way to handle it. I used to tell my oldest daughter that her current stats (mid-season and beyond) were the best representation of how much work she put in over the preceding off-season so, of course, I think they need to be available. We would then take her year-end stats to set goals and make practice plans to hopefully improve for the next year. Not having this information would be exactly like going to school, but not ever knowing what your grades were or where you ranked in your class. How could that be helpful??? Also, most exposure teams will put the previous years stats (at the very least) directly on the webpage for everyone to see. Posting game-by-game stats, or posting stats for all to see prior to college recruiting age seems a bit much, but I certainly feel they should be made available on request.

 

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Thank you for all your views!! This thread came up because we are trying to introduce our parents to GAMECHANGER! It is an awesome tool and it educates coaches in all areas. Soooo many parents want to know stats NOT coaches just trying to put out this info. It sure saves me a lot of phone calls and book work. Overall, stats will show players weaknesses and or strengths.. Great for making a true player greater!!! Thanks again to ll of you

 

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Nothing wrong with sharing stats 14 and up.
At that age players are building profiles starting to play HS ball so stats will be public especially; if the player has an on-line profile.
The main thing is to make sure the stats are accurate. If parents are keeping their own stats there should not be a huge discrepancy.

12 and under in my mind is developmental years. Yes stats need to be kept for the coaching and be available if a player/parents want to see it.
Personally, I do not see much value in sharing them with the team at these ages. Like others have said if you attend the games you can see the ladies that are strong, struggling and growing.

Remember he saying "If you cannot measure it, you cannot manage it"...

 

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Pitching stats are a little more tricky when it comes to passed balls vs. wild pitches.

I only really concern myself with WHIP score when it comes to pitchers (Walks + Hits per innings pitched). You can do the math at a glance once a game wraps up, and it takes the defense completely out of the equation. It's an effective way to check a pitchers output on an individual basis. As far as passed balls/wild pitches, again...those are judgement calls for the most part, even though they have concrete definitions by book standards.

If you're losing close games on stolen or extra bases, it might indicate whether you need a catching change, or to possibly change that particular pitcher out (if this is their norm) before those late innings if the score is tight.

 

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Stats hurt the parents more than the players... the chest pounding goes bye-bye when you have a consistent un-biased and 98% accurate book person. The players know where they stand and the numbers clear it up. With the right skipper at the healm, this is very manageable and I'd even say that ate younger ages after doing this for several years.. I was tight lipped on full sharing till 14u and somewhat regret it. Share and share alike.

I also base a player on many things, but, OBP is one of my statistical starting points. Get on... get on often... and then the game can be strategic offensively. Love the OBP topic vs BA%!

 

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Re: on-base percentage, I have always looked at a modified version of this where it includes "reached on error". That has the added advantage of taking out of the equation the scoring/scorekeeper and whether an at bat was ruled as a hit or error. If I only had to select one hitting stat, I would use that one, but of course batting average was important to look at at the same time.

 

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OBP with including errors is the best stat IMO.

Especially in this game. A slapper with great speed can get on base 3 out of 3 times and have ll 3 called an error because she hit it off the 3rd basemen.

 

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I'm a big fan of Moneyball, one of the basic premises being that MLB hitting is primarily about OBP. I quickly acknowledge that our primary responsibility as youth coaches is to really teach the girls to hit, and not just settle for walks. But pitch selection is obviously a critical component of good hitting and making (solid) contact is as well. When I used to coach high school and 16-U/18-U travel ball, it always seemed like there was one girl every year who would come out of the woodwork. She would look bad in her approach to hitting, and a few of these girls we even considered cutting during tryouts. But we'd look at the OBP stats and find that she was consistently finding ways to get on base, and slowly but surely she would earn her way up to the top part of the batting order.

 

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I'm a big fan of Moneyball, one of the basic premises being that MLB hitting is primarily about OBP. ...

FWIW, this is a popular misconception about Moneyball. Moneyball is about getting the best players you can within tight financial constraints and Oakland did it by embracing Sabermetrics to find market inefficiencies. Sabermetrics values OBP and Slug% highly and the market undervalued them at the time. After other teams caught on, the market corrected itself and Moneyball continues on looking for other market inefficiencies.

 

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I shared stats last year at 10U using the Iscore webpage. I was hesitant at first, not knowing what kind of complaining there would be. Now I am glad I did it. I did not hear any " my kid should be batting in X spot cause her AVG. is .XXX"