Someone EXPLAIN!! (BERTMAN)

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I get the drop third strilke....Ball its catchers glove she drops it unoccupied base at first there needs to be a play on the batter. But why when a batter swings at a pitch clearly in the dirt why isnt the batter just out. I would think if the batter is willing to swing at a pitch that isn't close she shouldn't get the chance to be safe!:yahoo:

Bertman can you give me the background on this rule!
 
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Why do batters swing at a changeup when they can clearly see it is not as fast?? In three tenths of a second who has time to think...

Just my take on it...It leaves to much grey area for the umpire to determine if the pitch was intentionally swung at to take advantage of the dropped third strike or if they just swung at a bad pitch. Much easier and alot less controversy...if it hits the ground before reaching the catchers mitt it is considered a drop third strike.
 
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i dont get the ball that hits dirt and catcher catches it...the catcher has it, strike out, go sit the bench
 
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I couldn't tell you exactly why there is such a rule in the first place, but I can give you a little background on its origins.

As with almost every rule in softball, this one has roots in baseball. From the earliest days of baseball the rule has always been that a batter is out when the third strike is caught by the catcher. By extension, if the pitch was not caught, the batter was not out.

This isn't a very good reason, but's that's just the way it was! Why do we get three strikes and not four? Why can't runners advance on foul balls? How come there are four bases and not six?

These are coventions dating back over a hundred years that evolved as the game of baseball evolved. When the first official softball rules were published in the 1930's, many of the rules were copied directly from the exixsting baseball rules. Eighty years later, we're stuck with the odd "third strike rule".

Often generically refered to as the "dropped third strike rule", the rule doesn't require that the catcher actually drop the ball. Rather, the rule applies when the catcher does not legally catch the ball. "Catch" in this sense is defined exactly the same as the catch of a batted ball by a fielder for an out- the ball must be airbourne from the pitcher's hand until caught by the catcher. If the ball bounces and is then secured, it is not legally "caught" as required by the rule.

While the rule has been around longer than dirt, the times when the rule applies was changed as baseball evolved. In the earliest days, the final strike had to be caught no matter the number of outs or if first base was occupied. It didn't take long for teams to exploit this rule to their advantage.

Suppose there are runners on base at least first base. Catchers could purposely not catch the third strike, forcing the batter to run to first and the other runners to advance. By purposely dropping the ball, the defense could earn cheap extra outs on force plays that would not have been there if the ball had been caught and the batter had been out.

Along the same lines as the Infield Fly Rule, baseball came up with exceptions to the uncaught third strike rule to protect the offense from deception by the defense. The exceptions are that it does not apply when there are less than two outs and first base is occupied or anytime there are two out (regardless if there is a runner on first base).

With less than two outs and first base occupied, the catcher could gain extra outs by purposely dropping the ball as described above. To prevent that, the rule became that the batter cannot advance to first in this case. The batter is out- catch or no catch of the pitch- so there are no force outs to be had and nothing for the defense to gain by purposely dropping the ball.

With two outs, even with first base occupied, purposely dropping the third strike would be, well, stupid. Catch the pitch and the inning is over. Thus the exception about first base being occupied when there are two outs. The rules still require the catcher to complete the play by securely catching the pitch.

There have been several books published about baseball rules from the early days and maybe one of them has a better explaination of why this rule came to be in the first place.But I do know that this 19th century relic of a rule still has folks scratching their heads in the new millenium!
 
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As with almost every rule in softball, this one has roots in baseball. From the earliest days of baseball the rule has always been that a batter is out when the third strike is caught by the catcher. By extension, if the pitch was not caught, the batter was not out.

Glad you said "almost". How about the origins of the look back rule? that can't be linked to baseball. I realize that there needs to be something that makes girls go back to the base since no lead-offs like baseball. I get that. I have always thought there must be a better way to acomplish this.
 
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There are players who intentionally swing at balls in the dirt if they feel they have a chance to get to first base. Just another strategy that takes advantage of a rule.
 
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I didn't mean to imply that the first printed softball rules were an exact copy of the baseball rules, but baseball was obviously the foundation. How many of the rules between the two sports are identical? Maybe 3/4 of them?

Some rules were copied verbatim back then and still exist today. One that always drives this point home for me is the rule about baserunners not running the bases in reverse order to "make a travesty of the game". That rule appears in every rule book from 10U softball to Major League Baseball!

What are the odds that two different sports developed an odd rule like that and phrased it the same odd way independently?

The Look Back Rule is a fairly recent invention, adopted in the early 1980's. Just like in baseball, softball rules have changed and evolved over the years. The LBR was invented to address a percieved problem in softball that was slowing down the game. Without the LBR, there would be a continuous "cat and mouse" game between the pitcher and the baserunners. It would get so that between every pitch the runners were juking and jiving to draw a throw, with the pitcher making multiple fakes to drive them back. This could go on even to the point of the runners just standing there, off their bases, and the pitcher just standing there daring them to run.

ASA wrote the LBR to address that and speed up the game.
 
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Very awesome explanation.Bretman, should get two blog credits for both of those.:D
 
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The Look Back Rule is a fairly recent invention, adopted in the early 1980's. Just like in baseball, softball rules have changed and evolved over the years. The LBR was invented to address a percieved problem in softball that was slowing down the game. Without the LBR, there would be a continuous "cat and mouse" game between the pitcher and the baserunners. It would get so that between every pitch the runners were juking and jiving to draw a throw, with the pitcher making multiple fakes to drive them back. This could go on even to the point of the runners just standing there, off their bases, and the pitcher just standing there daring them to run. ASA wrote the LBR to address that and speed up the game.

Thanks. I think the rules makers blew this one. I hate for there to be outs made in a way that has nothing to do with baseball. I only coach 10u girls so maybe I am making more of it than I need to. Probalby not that big of a thing with older girls. But 10u boys have no lead-offs and don't seem to need an LBR. The ump just declares them back to the base when the ball gets in the circle.
 

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