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poden-smoden
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This has been very entertaining. Thank you for solidifying you user name to the forum!
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"This has been very entertaining. Thank you for solidifying you user name to the forum!" really brownsfan and the part where it was insinuated that my wife was a prostitute was really funny.
poden just to let you know my dd does play rec ball, on two teams, and does travel ball also. as a matter of fact just about the whole league are travel ball players.
poden just to let you know my dd does play rec ball, on two teams, and does travel ball also. as a matter of fact just about the whole league are travel ball players.
Jim I think most would agree with your opinion that the stay to play hijinks is not ideal. And of course 99% of us would prefer the choice or option. But we visit this time of our daughters life for such a short time that I do not have the energy to fight this one.
I even had one parent who wanted to pay the opt out fee for these tournaments (which for us is 100%) and then use hotel points and such. It was sounding like a full time job. Lots of graphs, dotted lines, and emails. So I declared our team would just do as asked and move on.
We have 14ish hotel nights so you are looking at an increase of around $4-500 for the Summer likely. Which is not to be taken lightly. I am not sure what you can do about it. Most have a $500-700 opt out fee.
So you have the option to pay the opt out fee or not attend. It really comes down to money.
I even had one parent who wanted to pay the opt out fee for these tournaments (which for us is 100%) and then use hotel points and such. It was sounding like a full time job. Lots of graphs, dotted lines, and emails. So I declared our team would just do as asked and move on.
We have 14ish hotel nights so you are looking at an increase of around $4-500 for the Summer likely. Which is not to be taken lightly. I am not sure what you can do about it. Most have a $500-700 opt out fee.
So you have the option to pay the opt out fee or not attend. It really comes down to money.
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Geez, I so miss the good old days when TD's would contact hotels and assemble a list of preferred places with a "tournament discount rate" since a fully occupied hotel at even a slight discount is way better business than a half full one at full rates. And part of the deal of filling up all those rooms was the TD got some comp rooms to use for his org, umpires, and college scouts. And if more rooms were needed by the org. than offered as comps, then that was factored into the overhead rate of running the tourney.
But now with STP, a minimum hotel booking is required of each team, regardless if they need it or want it...plus it has been my experience that you often will pay more $ for a less desirable hotel.
Seems to me that STP really is a monopoly by limiting competition, limiting choices, and limiting freedom.
I wonder if there is any correlation between orgs. that are 501c3 non-profits and do not use STP versus orgs that are for-profit and use the STP system to increase revenues...who knows, it might support or contradict some of the "money grab" opinions posted earlier.
But now with STP, a minimum hotel booking is required of each team, regardless if they need it or want it...plus it has been my experience that you often will pay more $ for a less desirable hotel.
Seems to me that STP really is a monopoly by limiting competition, limiting choices, and limiting freedom.
I wonder if there is any correlation between orgs. that are 501c3 non-profits and do not use STP versus orgs that are for-profit and use the STP system to increase revenues...who knows, it might support or contradict some of the "money grab" opinions posted earlier.
Not a monopoly. Don't lose sight of the fact that YOU ARE CHOSING TO PLAY IN THIS TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you are unhappy with the STP, just don't play in that tournament.
You have total control over competition, choice and freedom by going elswhere. Explain to me where you are forced to play in these STP events.
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I don't care where any one stays, I don't like being told where I have to stay. My son played travel baseball for years, we came across a stp event and didn't think much of it. We had to pay a booking fee also, when my wife (the prostitute) looked up the booking company she found out that it was the td's sister in law's company. Now to have people tell me that its not a direct way of padding there pockets just erks me.
I still do not agree that this is capitalism. Capitalism is not one sided. The consumer is supposed to have a say in what they buy. They can choose based upon price, based upon quality, whatever they want. But in this case they can't say, hmmmmm, Hotel A is nice but it is not worth $X, so I'll just go to Hotel B. And the biggest right of a consumer in capitalism is the choice not to buy at all. You have to pay for the hotel in this case.
True capitalism leads to a better product at a lower price. This does not. Remember to vote Republican at the next election.
True capitalism leads to a better product at a lower price. This does not. Remember to vote Republican at the next election.
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You have your opinions, I have mine.
Your statement assumes that my individual opinion that STP is a monopoly has much sway over the decision-makers that set team schedules and select which events to enter. I would be surprised if there was a team, whose families banded together to exercise their freedom of choice and boycott an event! Those TDs that use the STP system also know that it is unlikely to happen.
It really just seems to me like another way to increase the entry fee without having the additional $500 added to the bottom line advertised price.
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Coke has a contract with the Browns. I can go to the game and choose not to buy a coke. That is control, choice, and freedom.
Organization has a contract with Hotel A. I cannot go and choose not to buy the hotel room. This is not control, choice, and freedom.
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poden, now that if had time to fully read and comprehend your last post, I apologize, and if you are at a tourney this year and see a large redneck (who probably needs a shave) out behind left or right field's fence having the time of his life whooping it up for both teams, stop on buy and say hi, I promise I will not let the other parents on your daughters team know that you were conversing with somebody whose daughter plays rec ball. i'll be the big guy running to collect the home run balls hit by either team so I can hide them from the umps and give them to the kid after the game. maybe you can even meet my wife (the prostitute)
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poden-smoden
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I was just typing a nice post saying all is good and to wish you a great weekend as I only enjoy the forum from work. I will be signing off here until Monday. I am glad that you edited your post prior to my original reply so that I can see that it was not sincere in nature. As I mentioned before, we are done with travel so I doubt we will see each other. Also, be careful because people will think your wife really is a prostitute since you are the only one that has ever mentioned or insinuated that, in fact, for the third time now. To the rest of the forum...have a great Friday and an even better weekend!!
"Capitalism" does not lead to a "better product at a lower price"...I think the economic term you are referring to is "competition".
In regards to the "consumer having a say", well you do...the end product is the tournament. The STP is within the structure of the end product. The consumers "say and choice"" cannot dictate what choices can be made within the structure, it is basically whether to buy the product or not.
Definition:
Capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
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Hippie
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The choice lies in whether or not your dd tryout for that team. If offered and she chooses to play for that team, then you all have made a choice. You have chosen to support your dd's dreams. What if her team decides to do a STP event. You as a team has to make a choice whether or not to pay the fee and not choose to use that hotel, or decide to get the bookings. Here's the key thing; there is a list of hotels to choose from. It's up to the parent/coach in charge of booking to provide the best reasonable hotel. The longer you wait, the more expensive it can become.
Either way, you made a choice.
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RV and travel trailors are the best way to go and no one can punish you for that. I have done the RV thing for 11 years now. Creates great team bonding and a place to relax for all players and parents.
The problem with not playing in the tournament is that those are tournaments that teams want to play. There is no freedom in not being able to choose where your team would like to stay if you go to such a tournament.
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I hate STP as much, if not more than anyone here. With that being said, there is an elite group of tournaments in the country that have earned the right to charge what ever they want, however they want to charge it. I don't like it but I play along. NONE of those tournaments are in Ohio. Higdon and O'Donnell could put a $3000 price tag on their events and teams would line up to play on the right fields there. Until you consistently produce that level of quality, you are nothing more than a con stealing from families and riding the coat tails of others.
