Hitting and Hitters Discussion Swings for review

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I cannot look at the swing, but what Len is posting seems to be the #1 problem we have with young girls. We now use a drill called the cross over hand drill , that Straightleg has posted a few times on here. Great way of stopping them from rolling the wrists.
 
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I cannot look at the swing, but what Len is posting seems to be the #1 problem we have with young girls. We now use a drill called the cross over hand drill , that Straightleg has posted a few times on here. Great way of stopping them from rolling the wrists.

I think it was called the hand over drill....you take the top hand and turn it up side down and as you swing we want the lead elbow to make a good first move of 2 to 4 inches and pull the bat out of the top hand and finish over their shoulder. When you see a hitter hit their shoulder or back or finish sharply between the shoulder and neck you know they rolled the wrist or allowed the lead elbow to roll outward and never allowed it to extend by leading with the elbow. The hitter will usually hit harder with one hand verses two by doing this and with 10 swings have them use both hands and they will feel a difference in their swing and hear the difference.

golfnut as I told you in a PM this is a very good swing in my opinion.

Howard
 
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This does not go with this thread but this is still a batting question. How can you get your dd confidence and mental mind back in batting?
 
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KR,

Care to elaborate a bit more? Will help if I can. Where is she lacking?

Dana
 
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I agree the last 2 swings posted are very good - but what is common is lack of separation at launch.

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A check point is the position of the front elbow in relation to the belly button and how much bend there is in the front arm.

Why does this matter? It helps let the lower body lead the swing. Both hitters are more gate like in their swings then allowing a good transfer of energy from the lower body.

I don't know if I would screw with these 2 hitters too much, but for others lurking I would definitely look at separation - BUT keeping an eye on whether the bat wraps around the hitters head. Keeping the barrel "up" usually mitigates the bat wrapping.

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Bush is probably bordeline on the bat wrapping / barrel being too flat.

Happy Thanksgiving!
 
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Photos 3,4 and 5....lets use Bustos as the elite female hitter of woman's fast pitch and observe her hand height in relationship to the top of the shoulders and the other two as probably not much higher than the ear hole in the helmet at separation. Now look at the flex in the front leg and all three have it and maintain it until the the back elbow would be begin to lower and heel plant would begin and then the front leg will begin to firm up. We say slow to load, soft to step on a flexed front knee and separate the hands rearward at toe touch on a flexed front knee. All three of the photos I pointed out appear to have that in common.

I like reviewing women as the model elite swing as the men can be more up right and balanced and the females MUST be tilted at the waste more because of the spine being more horizontal in women (for birthing) and the males being more tilted forward.

Everyone wants to use the MLB swing as the elite model and I like using CB as she averaged above .400 for 10 years! That is a pretty model if you want to copy a swing in my opinion.
 
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I appreciate the comments. I would have to agree with you RBR09, at times my DD's swing can get very gate-like. I think her follow-through is normally pretty good but is affected by her lack of flexability. When she does top hand release drills she has great follow-through. Her performance last season was inconsistant. I personally felt like the problem was her trying to swing way too hard but wasn't sure. She has always been really strong in the upper body and not very flexable so I feel like she wants to just overpower the ball at times. She is still a work in process!
 
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I appreciate the comments. I would have to agree with you RBR09, at times my DD's swing can get very gate-like. I think her follow-through is normally pretty good but is affected by her lack of flexability. When she does top hand release drills she has great follow-through. Her performance last season was inconsistant. I personally felt like the problem was her trying to swing way too hard but wasn't sure. She has always been really strong in the upper body and not very flexable so I feel like she wants to just overpower the ball at times. She is still a work in process!

I would try the following to get the top half and bottom working together....bend at the waste first and soften the knees in that sequence. The shoes should be on the ground and heels of the feet will be off of the shoes and she should be able to feel that. Now push on her back and chest alternately and she should maintain her balance. Look closely when she softens the knees that her butt does not go down and her back becomes erect. If this happens take bat and place it under her butt and if she feels like she is setting on the bat she will feel it. Have her maintain the tilt of her upper body verses the sinking down. This method of balancing engages the core muscles and connects so to speak of connecting the top half to the bottom half.

The next thing I would work on is landing on a flexed front knee on the inside edge of the front foot. Have her take her shoes and socks off. Now get her balanced again and load (going back to go forward) we do what is termed a knee cock or inward turn. Then have her step to toe touch....did she land on all 5 toes or on the inside edge of the foot? If the baby toe is off the ground and the heel is slightly off the ground she will feel a little bounce or springiness in her hip and make sure the knee is flexed or slightly bent. If you slap her gently on the lead leg thigh she will wiggle like Jello on a plate and if the leg is too firm you will you will feel the resistance.

The hand over drill would be next and I think we covered that in a PM and that will get her to extension which we often see lacking in most girls as they tend to give up on the ball at contact and or roll their wrist. Evidence of this can be seen when they slap the shoulder or back or finish sharply between the back shoulder and neck with the bat.

Without actually being able to see her swing in person this should help generate more power number and sharply hit balls....not knowing how she grips the bat would be my next focus.

When she throws does the back foot release from the ground and come forward? If not she is not flexing the knee and I would fix that first as that is an indication of the disconnect of the upper to lower body. Look at photo's 3,4,5 and you see the weight shifting at separation as the hips are moving and have not stopped....now visualize they are throwing and it looks the same. For girls especially this is a common trait, if they hit poorly they usually are poor throwers because they do not transfer their weight properly.

Howard
 
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Using Bustos as a model is great. Some people have said that her size is her advantage and don't think she is good model as they want their kids to be line drive hitters, but I disagree - her line drives just go farther :yahoo:. Her technique is simple to emulate - size is not the issue.

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She gets a good, timely separation- she walks aways from her hands - she doesn't yank the hands back and then stride - Major Difference. Her front shoulder is stretched to the max at launch - there is no slack in the front arm. Her lower body gets a running start and pulls the upper body into the swing.

Check points are her front elbow gets over her rear hip, but the bat angle is "up" and not wrapped around her head. Her hands play a role in that they don't lose the barrel - drop it behind her before it comes around. Her hand path is such that the barrel is able to follow into contact.



K.I.S.S!
 
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Amazing, straightleg works with my dd's, and uses the reverse top hand drill and talks to one of them about getting her lead elbow back farther at the start of the swing. Get on OFC and what is being talked about but both of the things he was working with them on. Straightleg is the man.
 
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The two ball drill promotes hand path and hitting through the ball. One thing the drill does not promote is getting the hips through. Most students focus so hard on their hand path they tend to forget about their lower body, thus becoming more linear and less rotational in their swing.

If you watch the video, she has a great set up and a great angle of attack and hand path to the ball. Very nice. Now look at her hips.

She definitely is not getting her hips through. Why?? Watch her front foot. As soon as she gets to heel plant she immediately gets back on the ball/toes of her front foot. Her rear leg straightens out at impact; her body is now in the shape of an inverted "Y". This is what is stopping her hip rotation.

Having said that I do believe it is a function of the two ball drill, and her lower body might look a bit different against live pitching. One thing's for sure....the look and demeanor of this young lady SCREAMS athlete!

Len
 
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Those sweat pants looks familiar. With his knowledge on the chair, I'm sure anything she was doing wrong was discussed by the expert. .
 
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The two ball drill promotes hand path and hitting through the ball. One thing the drill does not promote is getting the hips through. Most students focus so hard on their hand path they tend to forget about their lower body, thus becoming more linear and less rotational in their swing.

If you watch the video, she has a great set up and a great angle of attack and hand path to the ball. Very nice. Now look at her hips.

She definitely is not getting her hips through. Why?? Watch her front foot. As soon as she gets to heel plant she immediately gets back on the ball/toes of her front foot. Her rear leg straightens out at impact; her body is now in the shape of an inverted "Y". This is what is stopping her hip rotation.

Having said that I do believe it is a function of the two ball drill, and her lower body might look a bit different against live pitching. One thing's for sure....the look and demeanor of this young lady SCREAMS athlete!

Len



Rear leg straigtening at impact.

Len - expand on that for me if you would.

Is that from reaching too far?



Straightleg
 
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Rear leg straigtening at impact.

Len - expand on that for me if you would.

Is that from reaching too far?



Straightleg

Reaching out or pushing through the ball can cause this. Like I said, it is probably a function of the two ball drill.....making sure she swings through the two balls, forgetting about her hips. Is the same girl in your Avatar? If so, look at her rear leg position and her hips at impact.....perfect!

Len
 
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What we have had happen is that they become to technical and are trying to drive the back ball thru the front not driving or torquing the hips at the same time almost mechanical if you will to do the drill........ it is a short lived moment, once she goes to contact to a live pitch you can see how her leg is back in the correct position........ I agree it is the drill, that causes this, one way to overcome it is to constantly reinforce pulling the top hand hard and creating torq. the only issue it may reduce the ability to be so precise on the 2 tee drill at first...... in other words swing as hard as you can at the back ball and stay within your form..........

Tim
 
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And by the way , her ability to do what she has to do with the drill then do what she has to do with live pitching shows her athletic ability............. nice job both dad and daughter
 
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And by the way , her ability to do what she has to do with the drill then do what she has to do with live pitching shows her athletic ability............. nice job both dad and daughter



Thanks Tim.

Probably see you some time this summer. ;)


Straightleg
 

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