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Was just joking around about the subject with a friend who happens to be an attorney and she told me that awhile back where she lives out in the Seattle area a coach tried to restict parents discussing team issues amongst themselves or even talk while at the games and almost got sued. She said his attorney told him he didn't stand a chance in court justifying trying to restrict a persons free speech right and he backed down and apologized. Hmmm, anyone know a good attorney around here?
 
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The Truth is: There are many, many coaches in travel ball who are hopelessly incompetent, but for some reason have control of those teams year after year. The parents of the better players simply move their kids to different teams. The parents of the average or weaker players generally don't know the difference. High school is a different story. Outside of selling your house, you're pretty much stuck with the high school coach who is generally more into the politics of the team than anything else. It's almost comical watching some of these guys and gals trying to manage a game. They're just lost. Once in a blue moon a kid gets lucky and plays for a high school coach with a clue. But not very often.

As for trying to tell parents they can't talk to each other? I can't stop laughing. That rule is a sure sign that the coach is an absolute goof. If he were worth a darn, the parents wouldn't be grumbling amongst themselves. All parents grumble from time to time, but when they do it to the point where the coach is implementing ridiculous rules like that one, then it's time the coach just gave up the reins to someone else. Most of these guys have a kid on the team who might not get a uniform if someone else were coaching. That's the main problem.

My kids are now playing for a club that has a rule against the parents saying anything to their kids during a practice or a game. They can't go over to the bench and ask if they're feeling all right, want to go to McDonald's after the game... If the rule is violated, then the kid has to ride the bench for the next game. The parents also can't talk to the coaches about their kids' playing time. The kids have to do it. I didn't know about these rules when I signed them up. I don't generally say anything to my kids during practices or games, but I don't like to be told I can't. I rarely say anything to the coaches, but it's stupid that I can't. My kids will play elsewhere next year for sure and this season hasn't even started. I coach my daughter's 14U softball team and I always talk to the parents during the game and after the game. I tell them why I'm doing what I'm doing or did what I did. It helps that I played the game for a lot of years and know what I'm doing. If one of the kids isn't getting a ton of playing time, I don't wait for the parent to come to me, I go to the parent and tell him/her/both exactly what their daughter needs to do to get more time.

Paranoia in coaches is a sure sign of insecurity/incompetence. Here's a tip: Get good at what you do and you won't have to worry about people complaining.
 
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Wow! Sure makes one grateful to be on a team with harmony......I can't imagine parents not sitting together, talking, and cheering the team on.....our season seems to fly by.....but under those conditions I bet the season seems to linger on and on and on.
 
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All I can say is thetruth08 can have my soapbox for the rest of the post. YOU ROCK! ;D
 
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To many parents still live with a rec. ball mentality and are unable to rationalize how things work at the Travel/HS or College levels. ?I would like to see you go into your daughters college teams dugout, or even her HS teams dugout and ask if she needs a water, or ask how she's feeling. ?And before you say thats college and their older, and blah, blah, blah......its still the stepping stone to the next level, and it has to start somewhere. ?
 
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Project_Pro said:
this is about parents talking to parents,not to D.D. come on.

Then you aren't following the thread very well, because there is a reference to a parent talking to their child in one of the above posts.
 
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Parents are going to talk. I don't usually sit with the parents, but I sat with some at one of our games last year. The parents making the complaints were those whose daughters almost never sat the bench whether they were doing well or not. They felt like the coach was playing favoritism. I replied to them, but I won't repeat what I told them.

I really don't think a signed piece of paper will stop the talking.
 
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thetruth08 said:
My kids are now playing for a club that has a rule against the parents saying anything to their kids during a practice or a game. ?They can't go over to the bench and ask if they're feeling all right, want to go to McDonald's after the game... If the rule is violated, then the kid has to ride the bench for the next game. ?The parents also can't talk to the coaches about their kids' playing time. ?The kids have to do it. ?I didn't know about these rules when I signed them up. ?I don't generally say anything to my kids during practices or games, but I don't like to be told I can't. ?I rarely say anything to the coaches, but it's stupid that I can't. ?My kids will play elsewhere next year for sure and this season hasn't even started. ?I coach my daughter's 14U softball team and I always talk to the parents during the game and after the game. ?I tell them why I'm doing what I'm doing or did what I did. ?It helps that I played the game for a lot of years and know what I'm doing. ?If one of the kids isn't getting a ton of playing time, I don't wait for the parent to come to me, I go to the parent and tell him/her/both exactly what their daughter needs to do to get more time.

To many parents still live with a rec. ball mentality and are unable to rationalize how things work at the Travel/HS or College levels. ?I would like to see you go into your daughters college teams dugout, or even her HS teams dugout and ask if she needs a water, or ask how she's feeling. ?And before you say thats college and their older, and blah, blah, blah......its still the stepping stone to the next level, and it has to start somewhere. ?

To clear up some confusion.
 
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I would remind people that a HS coach is a public employee and unlike travel or college ball that puts them under a higher standard of scrutiny and accountability and I don't know of ANY parent who hasn't stepped back completely once their DD starts playing in college. I reserve the right to challenge anything that I feel crosses legal or moral boundries because that IS my right. If I have an issue I take it to the coach. If it remains unresolved then to the AD, the principal, the superintendent, the school board and if by going up the ladder at some point hopefully it will be resolved.
 
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hockeybuckeye said:
I would remind people that a HS coach is a public employee and unlike travel or college ball that puts them under a higher standard of scrutiny and accountability and I don't know of ANY parent who hasn't stepped back completely once their DD starts playing in college. I reserve the right to challenge anything that I feel crosses legal or moral boundries because that IS my right. If I have an issue I take it to the coach. If it remains unresolved then to the AD, the principal, the superintendent, the school board and if by going up the ladder at some point hopefully it will be resolved.

I agree, but nothing that has been talked about comes close to that. ?Were talking about a rule that a coach feels needs to be mandated to to keep their program from turning into an Anarchy, and a disruption to their team.

I'm sorry Hockey that I don't know who you are, and I don't mean to offend you, but by the tone and passion that you put in your posts, I feel maybe this coach feels threatened by you, and your lack of support for him/her and the team. ?I have known parents with your intensity, and deameanor, and they can be a distraction. I couldn't even imagine the dumbest of coaches having to implement such a rule to keep things in hand. ?JMHO
 
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Classics said:
[quote author=LADY_KNIGHTS link=1205969594/25#30 date=1206327339]To many parents still live with a rec. ball mentality and are unable to rationalize how things work at the Travel/HS or College levels. ?I would like to see you go into your daughters college teams dugout, or even her HS teams dugout and ask if she needs a water, or ask how she's feeling. ?And before you say thats college and their older, and blah, blah, blah......its still the stepping stone to the next level, and it has to start somewhere. ?


WOW! First off (to many? [highlight]how many is to many [/highlight]and how do you know? Did you take a poll on this? ?;D) and second, I am not that intelligent, so would you mind explaining [highlight]what a "rec. ball mentality" exactly is?[/highlight] I would love to know what in the world I was thinking when my kids started playing rec T-ball at the age of 5. I guess I should have looked for a select/travel/club/summer team for them right at the git go, so my mind was not polluted with a rec ball mentality.

Actually I have a secret code that I use with my high school and college ball players to see if they are injured or need anything ;)
Summer coach also has the same rule about not coming into the dug out, so we use the code then as well![/quote] ?

To answer your 1st question....1 ;)

Your Second....http://eprint.uq.edu.au/archive/00001404/01/Mentality_of_Apes.prn.pdf
 

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