terrible umpires in 10u division

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Why is it that we get umpires in the 10 u division that do not know the rules for this division. If they are being paid to do a job they should know the rules of the game they are umpiring.

 

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You must of played at the Toledo Tune-up!!!!! ;D ;D

 

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Trust me..it wasn't just the 10U!

 

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Here is when you know it's going to be a long day!!!!!!

Umpire looks to the the dugout... then to the pitcher... back to the dugout... then gets mad at the coach to get the batter up to the plate.... meanwhile she has been in the batters box the whole time :'( :'(

 

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you should have sent another one up and ask how many he wants

 

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We just had an umpire who gave a kid first base on 3 pitches!! After a lot of discussion both score keepers told him that the pitcher had only thrown 3 pitches!

 

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you should have sent another one up and ask how many he wants

LOL! How small was that batter? It doesn't bode well for the umpires vision either. How can you call balls and strikes if you can't even see the batter?

 

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We just had an umpire who gave a kid first base on 3 pitches!! ?After a lot of discussion both score keepers told him that the pitcher had only thrown 3 pitches!

This happened last night in the Indians and Marlins game. The umpire awarded a "3 ball walk" to Marlins batter. There's no wonder that they are winning games at home this year.

 

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Toledo Tune-up Umps were absolutely terrible at the 10U level. Is this just a USSSA thing? I haven't seen this type of umpiring at ASA or NSA. Usually, I can live with the ump that makes a bad call, etc., but these umps didn't know the rules and made bad calls for both teams throughout the tournament.

 

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I believe it is supply and demand - and it happens in all sports. As the weekends role around, and tournaments are saturated from young to old, the talent pool of umpires become drained. I personally would never like to put on the "blue" or "stripes", but when you make that commitment, at least know the rules and situations. Even if the 10u's are a slower game and the less experienced or slower umpires are working them, they still can't keep up with the game.

As soon as word gets out that an umpire is "good", even a younger ump or "up and comer", they get snatched up into the older divisions and better tournaments.

 

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I umpired in the Tune up @ the 10U division. I personaly recieved many compliments from the 10U coaches. However I agree with the GCKA there is a drain on umpires at tournament with 100+ teams. I did umpire with some not so good umpires that weekend. Part of the problem was that the additional rules were not given out to the umpires on Friday. Ex... change in run rule or how the time was to be handled. On Sunday before we got started the rules were addressed with each umpire before the start of the games that day at my site with the Umpire in chief. Two games latter two umpires come in after their game and said they gave the teams on the field options on rules. I said that was wrong and they need to follow what the TD set. They said to me " you run your games we will run ours."

I take my umpiring job VERY seriously it pisses me off to have these umpires that dont care. I have a DD that plays travel and I know how it feels to be "done in" by idiot umpires.

All of us umpires are not idiots. However it is a very hard job and not everyone has the courage or ability to do it. Umpires have bad games just as all of your DD's have bad games. My goal is to be the best unpire in my area. I just wish all umpires would strive to this goal.

 

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oh yeah... I did a dragons game that weekend and was in the field in the game and that plate umpire was down right horrible. For both teams.

 

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Fast I am glad you were the ump in the field, you did a great job explaining that you did not see the play and how you were correctly watching the play at 3rd. The home ump was a disaster, I never understand why a ump goes out of his way to make a call that changes the game.

Lets recap for those who did not see.

Runner on second steals 3rd and cather over throws 3rd. Runner slides, gets up then heads home. Left fielder correctly backs up third and throws home to get the runner out. Catcher who is standing over home plate takes two steps forward catch's the ball and tags the runner on the helmet. Home ump calls her out, then decides the runner is safe.. Catchers interferance. The ball beat the runner and runner did not slide!! Home ump says the catcher impeded her ability to run to home. :'(

 

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Fastpitch, I'm glad you agree the home plate umpire was terrible and wrong in his call at the plate. I talked to you after the play and you said you couldn't overrule a play right in front of him and you was going to third to watch the other runner. We understood that but, still knew the home plate umpire was wrong as our catcher stood right over the plate as the ball was arriving at home. We tagged her out on the helmet as she didn't slide.

 

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Im not sure about that one guys.......The catcher was way to far up the line with out the ball and the field blue was watching the runner from 2nd to 3rd. He was thinking the play from left was going to three not home, not watching home...Beside Fast never said he did that game, did you Fast?

 

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I did not do that game.

The field umpire is responsible for the bases not home plate. Now if there was only the one runner on the bases and she was going home, then yes I as a field umpire would be watching home to assist if needed.

I did not see the play so I can only comment on umpire responsibilities.

 

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softball, the ump ruled the catcher was standing on the plate with the ball, he stated that a catcher can only be behind the plate with ball ? .After the game the Director of Umps told Home ump not only was the ruling wrong on the field but he failed to abide by both requests made by coaches .Coaches asked Home ump to consult rulebook which he refused to do and again he was wrong according to both Director of umps and rule book and he refused to consult director of umps when requested by coaches and again he was told he was wrong. But bottom line is we didnt deserve to win when playing like that and the other team did ! Congrats to them !

 

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Runner on second steals 3rd and cather over throws 3rd. Runner slides, gets up then heads home. Left fielder correctly backs up third and throws home to get the runner out. Catcher who is standing over home plate takes two steps forward catch's the ball and tags the runner on the helmet. Home ump calls her out, then decides the runner is safe.. Catchers interferance. The ball beat the runner and runner did not slide!! Home ump says the catcher impeded her ability to run to home. :'(

I am the LAST person who would defend an umpire doing something the wrong way, but I'm having a couple of problems with this description.

Your description plainly states that the catcher was "standing over home plate", without possession of the ball, while a runner is advancing toward home. That is a almost a textbook exampe of obstruction. If the umpire judges the runner's advance was impeded by the catcher blocking the plate without the ball then obstruction (not interference) would be a possible call, with the runner being awarded home at the end of the play.

Further, your description that "the runner did not slide" tells me that you might not fully understand the rule on this play. A runner is never required to slide. She must EITHER slide or avoid contact with a fielder in possession of the ball making a play. When the defender does not have possession of the ball, she may not block the base and the runner is within her rights to go in standing up.

Quite often, the complaints I hear about umpires are unfounded. In many cases it is the coach or fans who do not know the rule or are simply mad because a call did not go their way.

But, I can understand your frustration. 10U ball does serve as a training ground for newer umpires and along with that with inexperience you can get some unususal calls, just like you get some unusual plays from these inexperienced players. 10U is not the highest level of ball and you will not usually be getting the highest level of umpires assigned to these games.

Maybe you had the worst umpire in the world for this game. Maybe not, I don't know. But the single example you offered does not show me a misinterpretation of any playing rule and, in fact, describes a play where the defense is very likely guilty of obstruction.

 

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Bretman , not to continue this topic but I stated the Ump ruled Catcher was standing on plate when in fact the catcher had ball straddling home plate waiting on runner before going out 2-3 feet from home to third to tag her .The head umpire told Ump he was wrong on all 3 situations and that was good enought for me Thanks

 

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I will have to defer to the accounts of the game provided by participants that were there, saw the play and spoke with the head umpire!

Thanks!