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So how do you account for Ohio girls being named all Big Ten or All American in college? There is talent in Ohio, just not as much as SoCal For every great player Ohio has, the west has 50.
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personally I don't get offended when folk talk about ohio being behind Calif. there are 50 states being top 5 ain't bad. FWIW the biggest difference i've seen are team speed and overall smoothness on D. The top notch western clubs don't give anything. nothing . zero. You earn what you get. they drag you into the 5th inning at 1-1 or 1-0 and see if you crack under pressure. MD
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Indiana Shockwaves 93' came in 4th at 16u ASA Nationals this past summer in South Dakota. They had a chance to win it all. They faced Florida, Arizona, UCLA, etc, etc recruits. They beat all 5 Cal teams they faced. They did it without having one kid being committed to any college. Its the preception and the not the reality anymore. Our top teams can play with their top teams. Is their top tier list deeper than our states, absolutely. But they also have a much deeper talent pool to pull from due to population. I wonder as I read this post, when the last time other than Roger has seen a California or Arizona team play.
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The posts on this thread is are funny. Keep praising all these teams from all over the country. Keep down grading the girls in this state. If I have a team that plays a Cali team and loses 1-0 or 2-1 thats a good game if I am tied going into the 5th then they pull away that was a good game. Win or lose I just want to see a good game. I have seen alot of good games here in Ohio.
Even games with teams from other areas. You people are just full of yourselves because you have been there to see these so called great west teams . WOOOOOW WEEEEEE
Even games with teams from other areas. You people are just full of yourselves because you have been there to see these so called great west teams . WOOOOOW WEEEEEE
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don't really know if you were referring to me in above statement but I never said I'd celebrate being close after 5 inn. with anyone. I correctly stated thats how they approach the game. never assigned any superiority to anyone. most people (huge majority) think cali is better than ohio and I'd have a hard time arguing that. How many ASA nat's Titles do we have as a state ? How many does Ca have ?
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Seems like those that get it, will know how to manage their DDs based on their dd's goals and families financial and time commitments.
Those that don't get it, well we see how they think and they will continue to just bash those that have more, do more, or strive for more.
BTW, anyone going to out of state clinics this winter???? Oopps maybe better off asked in another thread to keep those that think this would be silly from piling on.
Those that don't get it, well we see how they think and they will continue to just bash those that have more, do more, or strive for more.
BTW, anyone going to out of state clinics this winter???? Oopps maybe better off asked in another thread to keep those that think this would be silly from piling on.
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Listen from time to time a blind squirrl will find a nut. Listed this topic isn't even debatable!
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IMO, Ohio can compete with any other, if our top talent is combined. My dd has attended several out of state camps the last 3 years, 8 total (she would like to attend a school in the south). 6 of those coaches were really interested in what tournaments she would play in. What I mean by interested; NSA was a no-no, Uncle Bucks local ASA Invitational in your backyard a no-no, out of state nationally known showcases a yes, ASA Nat'ls a yes. These coaches wanted to know that she could compete at a high level with the best across the country. That being said, if you desire to stay in state, or somewhat local for school, there is no need to gain this exposure.
BTW, this isn't to insult anyone or Stingrays tournament, but none these coaches had heard of the Stingrays Tournament. IMO, the biggest in Ohio.
BTW, this isn't to insult anyone or Stingrays tournament, but none these coaches had heard of the Stingrays Tournament. IMO, the biggest in Ohio.
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From what I have seen on tv watching a few years of the College games being played, The West and California pitching is phenominal, nobody can argue that some of them have speedsters sure, but after the pitching the others are just regular players who make errors, both physical and mental just like any kid from any state. College games are mostly controlled by pitching dominance after that, they put their pants on one leg at a time just like Ohio kids...
Sure repetitions and playing year round in a warm climate would help anyone, but at the end of the day, those student athletes are not FAR SUPERIOR as has been stated..
Sure repetitions and playing year round in a warm climate would help anyone, but at the end of the day, those student athletes are not FAR SUPERIOR as has been stated..
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I would not disagree "IF" Ohio combined all their talent on one team we could compete with the 20 or so west coast teams that are already at that level, but it is not really realistic, and it probably will not happen. Pitching would still be a major problem.
You know what you get when all the best west coast girls combine on two or three teams? you get UCLA, Az, Az St. Stanford etc...That is a huge difference, wouldn`t you agree?
I doubt Ohio St would be at that level with all the best Ohio players. If you think so, you haven`t a clue. I have seen the west coast girls on this OSU team. They are far superior to most Ohio kids of that age. A good example is the SS Herron at OSU. She is 6`tall and fast. She hit 14 homers as a freshman. How about the catcher Marder. She is the all time home run leader at OSU after only 3 seasons and is considered the third best catcher in college softball. There are others, but you get the point. Those are only a couple of west coast kids, there are hundreds of others playing out west.
You know what you get when all the best west coast girls combine on two or three teams? you get UCLA, Az, Az St. Stanford etc...That is a huge difference, wouldn`t you agree?
I doubt Ohio St would be at that level with all the best Ohio players. If you think so, you haven`t a clue. I have seen the west coast girls on this OSU team. They are far superior to most Ohio kids of that age. A good example is the SS Herron at OSU. She is 6`tall and fast. She hit 14 homers as a freshman. How about the catcher Marder. She is the all time home run leader at OSU after only 3 seasons and is considered the third best catcher in college softball. There are others, but you get the point. Those are only a couple of west coast kids, there are hundreds of others playing out west.
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Totally agree Punchout. Until people see these players play, they just don't understand. Imagine the best player in Ohio. Could you imagine how great she would be if she were exposed to the finest, most recent instruction and training from the time she was 5 all the way up? Imagine her getting to practice, train, and play with the best around YEAR ROUND - and I don't mean in the domes or in the gyms, but outside on the dirt field EVERYDAY!! They have the advantage, no matter how you slice it.
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We have been to 2 out of state clinics (camps) so far this fall, believe it or not thats where the best offers have come from, we have 2 in Jan, and that should give her a pretty good basis to decide where she wants to go
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One thing's for certain, the world is a different place when viewed through your DD's eyes vs. Dad's. Dad's vision of fastpitch softball is from the outside looking in.
It's fun to dream, but unfortunately, applying "fantasy football" mentality to women's softball is just that - a fantasy. There's a LOT more than just recruiting the best talent when building a college team, but those of you that have talked with knowledgable college coaches already know that.
I think several attempts have been made in Ohio to assemble the Holy Grail of travel teams. Some have come very close, but didn't last. I'm sure their dissolution wasn't because of the team's talent either. College teams are the same way. Knowing that for most girls, there's not much softball after college, the vast majority of kids look beyond the field when choosing a college team. Now if your DD is a PAC 10 candidate, things are a little different with much different opportunities.
Just another viewpoint, but I agree that it all comes down to sheer numbers with the Cali kids. But until someone perfects a legal mind control drug, I don't think the stepchild mentality of Ohio softball will change much in the near future.
It's fun to dream, but unfortunately, applying "fantasy football" mentality to women's softball is just that - a fantasy. There's a LOT more than just recruiting the best talent when building a college team, but those of you that have talked with knowledgable college coaches already know that.
I think several attempts have been made in Ohio to assemble the Holy Grail of travel teams. Some have come very close, but didn't last. I'm sure their dissolution wasn't because of the team's talent either. College teams are the same way. Knowing that for most girls, there's not much softball after college, the vast majority of kids look beyond the field when choosing a college team. Now if your DD is a PAC 10 candidate, things are a little different with much different opportunities.
Just another viewpoint, but I agree that it all comes down to sheer numbers with the Cali kids. But until someone perfects a legal mind control drug, I don't think the stepchild mentality of Ohio softball will change much in the near future.
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I agree. Ohio pitching lagging way behind. Seen that at a couple major showcases. Good luck to the young lady expanding her horizons, she's doing what she needs to get to the next step.
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Anyone know what the ratio of college D1 softball player from a particular state to the state population?
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Good ? Bill. I have looked up Rosters from the top 20 softball teams and they are dominated by Calf. kids.
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http://www.ncaa.com/sports/w-softbl/spec-rel/052808abb.html
Not a bad pitcher from the midwest, all 5'7" of her.
Not a bad pitcher from the midwest, all 5'7" of her.
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I had nothing impotant to add. I just wanted my 800th post lol
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lol.. Someone has the kegerator going tonight....lol
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