Total lack of class!

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I know this issue has been brought to everyone's attention in the past, but I want to post about our team's experience at our last tournament (Mad River Classic) anyway.

An experienced, well-known, 12U coach from a very well-known organization was approaching our 10U parents/players regarding jumping teams for the next season. I mean this isn't even the middle of June. If this wasn't bad enough, this same coach has said some really demeaning things about our current coaches, their experience as coaches (they are actually college coaches) and also things about them personally.

To the said coach, (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE), there's no way you could even know half of what our coaches teach our girls and you can't have half of the experience that they do as they are teaching at the college level, DIII and DI. On top of that, your reputation speaks for itself!! Also, they teach our girls good sportsmanship, morals and ethics of this game, too. Please, stay away from our parents and players.

 

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Time for some popcorn and kick up the feet.

 

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Must be travel season.................

We have coaches calling our pitchers asking them to jump ship now.

Just part of the program. May not be right but it is part of the game.

 

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It amazes me to hear this... do what is right, make your need known and players will seek you out when the time is right (season end, team issues, etc) ...but never approach a kid mid-season. 3 weekends ago one of my pitchers dad got several calls from a team/coach wanting him to bring his DD to their team - called during our games - while she was pitching... dad said no and the irony is that she turned around and beat them at the Dayton Metro putting them out of the tourney the next weekend... karma is a bear...

 

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It amazes me to hear this... do what is right, make your need known and players will seek you out when the time is right (season end, team issues, etc) ...but never approach a kid mid-season. 3 weekends ago one of my pitchers dad got several calls from a 'well know' team/coach wanting him to bring his kid to their team - during our games - while she was pitching... he said no and the irony is that she turned around and beat them at the Dayton Metro putting them out of the tourney... karma is a bear...

That shows a total lack of respect for the coach's team and the player he is trying to recruit. It's one thing if the player is looking, but for a coach to approach a player..... Inexcusable.

 

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As most folks know - we are looking for a pitcher .. it is even hard to post on OFC that we are looking for a #1 level pitcher becuase it will be a kid playing on aonther team that responds. I thought a long time about it - we need to make our need known, but I felt we should also put in the post that we will be ok with guest pitchers for this summer, unless a kid is in a bad situation on their team - in that case all we can do is post it and let the familiy decide... tough call...

 

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It amazes me to hear this... do what is right, make your need known and players will seek you out when the time is right (season end, team issues, etc) ...but never approach a kid mid-season. 3 weekends ago one of my pitchers dad got several calls from a 'well know' team/coach wanting him to bring his kid to their team - during our games - while she was pitching... he said no and the irony is that she turned around and beat them at the Dayton Metro putting them out of the tourney... karma is a bear...

Total lack of class by that coach.

 

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By chance was this coach's team NOT playing at this tournament?

 

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Totally classless!!! A coach should NEVER approach a player during the season to switch teams. That's what we call a snake.

 

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Let me change subjects a second... with ASA - I keep hearing about a 'release' - I don't see where that applies - can someone point me to the ASA rules for that... also I see there is a standard and championship roster .. can someone clarify the difference?

Basically, a team/coach turns in their roster to ASA online (assuming they get the ASA insurance) and sanction.

But a player is not locked to a roster until they play in a tourney. As I understand it - players are 'locked' to a roster at each level and can go up a level with another team but not down or sideways...

for example - when a team plays in an ENQ the 'championship' roster they submit for the tourney locks those girls to that team for all future ENQ's - the girls can not play in another regional qualifer with another team. BUT they can go play in a National Qualifer with another team .. once they do that - they can't play in any nat q's except with that team. BUT - they can go up and play in a ENQ with the next age .. and the process starts all over. If a team qualifies for a berth and accepts - those kids on the roster when they qualified can only play at that level tourney (Eastern, Northern,National) with the TEAM they qualified with.

Once the roster is submitted and they tourney played - they are locked - there is no releasing the player by the team/coach - what is done is done. When our pitcher exited our team - the new team coach called me asking for her release (which btw - we are totally fine with - we want her to go play somewhere and be happy. Some folks asked if she was 'stolen' and the answer is no, it was one of those times when it was best for all to get a clean break and fresh start). I did go online and and remove her from our roster and we will not have her on any roster we turn in the rest of the year - but since she was on our day/metro roster she is ineligible to play in any ENQ or Nat Q with her new team - right? I would hate to mess this up for her or us.

Does my logic sound right?

 

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found this online...

OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP ROSTERS
The official ASA roster is required for all ASA Championship Play. A player should not sign the roster until you are certain that this player will be with your team for Championship Play. Roster maximum is 20 players.

Roster change deadline will be July 1 (July 15 for GOLD). In the event championship play should begin earlier than the 1st of July
(July 15th for GOLD), the roster change deadline would be one day earlier than the beginning of championship play. A player not signed with another ASA team or a player released from a team may be added to your roster.

After July 1st (July 15th for GOLD) three (3) Pick-up Players (players from another ASA team no longer eligible for Championship Play) may sign a Pick-up Player Form and compete in Championship Play. (Roster maximum includes Pick-up Players).

Players must sign roster. Parents/Caretaker of players under the age of eighteen (18) must sign before player is eligible to participate in Championship Play. Rosters are not required to be notarized.

Send completed roster to your Age Commissioner. The Commissioner will verify all players that have a Player Agreement on file. The roster must be signed in order to enter ASA Championship Tournaments.

"Red lining" rosters. Your Championship Roster will be red lined when you check in at a tournament that advances (qualifies) a team to Nationals. Once your roster is red lined, it is frozen.

Article 502 ROSTERS. A team's roster becomes official when a commissioner or designee signs it
for championship play. Each team is permitted pick up players according to Article 503 of
this code.
A. Rosters. Male rosters shall include only male players and female rosters shall
include only female players.
B. Number of Players. A championship roster can only have a maximum of 20
players, including pickup players. A manager or coach shall not count as a player
unless listed as one. Player(s) names cannot be removed or replaced once the
player on the roster has participated in championship play.
C. Roster Change Deadline. The roster change deadline for championship play
is 24 hours prior to the start of championship tournament play.
NOTE: Local associations may establish an earlier deadline for classification
purposes.
D. Roster Form. Roster forms shall be provided by the ASA National Office and
are the only official rosters for championship play.
E. Roster Procedure. The roster / affidavit form must be signed by the player,
their guardian ( if necessary ) and the manager. Parent’s signatures are not
required for players 18 years of age and over. A red line must be drawn on the line
beneath the last player’s name listed on the roster. The roster must be signed by
the local commissioner or their designee.

 

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Has anyone watched the show Nitro Circus....I love that show. Their use of laser techniques is awesome.

 

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@Doug:

In a word, no. In longer words, it is much more complicated than you have presented it. And at this point I am frankly tired of plodding through a Code that is drafted very poorly. Let me just assure you that I believe your description is incorrect at several points.

 

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@CGS - great .. ugh.

 

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Some people forget that it is about the kids. This subject opens so many doors of discussion it's hard to know where to begin. Many are frustrated by this time of the season because they are not seeing enough positive results. Everyone made a conscious decision to join the team you‘re on for the season. Let me remind you of a few certain facts:

For whatever the circumstances, as a coach you have a roster of young ladies looking up to you for guidance. Maybe you analyzed their potential incorrectly, or maybe a girl or 2 has other issues she could use some counseling about. Maybe for the first time you've realized you have a kid that simply doesn't learn the game at the same speed as others due to a learning disability. Perhaps a player or 2 are having a change of heart about playing softball. For whatever the reason, you owe it to each girl to help them thru the tough times and continue to mentor the entire team.

A quick fix by many coaches is to replace weaker players with somebody else's talent. Is this truly what you signed up to do? Many coaches are parents with sugarplums dancing in their heads as they dream of their daughter on the ultimate team with them at the reigns. Everyone wants to win and compete like ASU did this year. Just remember, they were not the top dog last year nor did they go during the off-season to 'Bama or Fla. to get players. They developed their own from their own talent pool. Ask yourself the question: “Am I doing this for the right reasons and is the entire team wrong or is it my coaching abilities?” A good rule for coaches to remember is for every finger you point at someone for being the problem there’s a thumb pointing back at you. Make sure you dissect your involvement as to why the team is having issues before casting any blame.

As for parents that are not coaches; you chose the team at some point for a reason. Perhaps the results up till now have not met your expectations. Before you judge the team and its leaders, be sure you look deep inside yourself and make an honest assessment of your own involvement as well as your child. Have you been supportive of the program or are you constantly belittling the methods being used by the coaching staff? Don’t you see what kind of negative effect this has on your daughter if you are constantly judging the coach anywhere that your child can hear or see? If you are so sure you’re right and they are wrong, why didn’t you host tryouts and commit to lead a team and their families? Maybe your attitude supporting a staff of volunteers that hopefully have your daughter’s best interest at heart would change her attitude towards the entire experience.

Watch out what you hope for because it might leave you out instead of in. Every team has a depth chart of talent. Some have it on paper while others simply file it in their minds. There is always somebody better somewhere out there. If you believe everyone would benefit from replacing a few weak links on your roster, watch out that your daughter doesn’t become the girl at the bottom of the list and expendable.

If you are questioning your playing time, be sure to practice away from the team. Earn the right----don’t buy it. Perhaps you’ve realized that in the big picture your daughter simply doesn’t have the same level of talent as the teammates around her. You can either work harder to improve or know next season to shop for a team she has a better opportunity to play with. Running away with a bad attitude will not teach your child how to deal with real life. Changing your perspective and attitude will help everyone accept realistic expectations.

 

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Went through this last year. The player who left your team has limited ASA options. Whether you removed her from your ASA roster or not she is locked onto your roster(at your age level) for ASA play until your team completes it's ASA Season, if your team does not go to ASA Nationals she would be elligible as a pickup for someone else for Nationals but she is definitely not elligible for ASA NQ's(at your age level). Not sure if playing up an age level is possible, haven't tried to research that.


I've found at the local level there are plenty of Cowboy commisioners who will allow things to go on with their local ASA NQ's and ASA State that would not pass the National sniff test and that is fine, right up until you try to play ASA Nationals, then it's not fine if anyone shines any light on it. Our local ASA went against the National grain last year and was letting returning college freshman play 18UB. The reasoning was that there are small colleges here where kids play DIII college who have never actually played before and they want to play summer ball but can't compete with the 18UA teams so the local ASA allowed it. That doesn't mean those teams are elligible for an 18UB national because their rosters aren't legal Nationally, but those teams didn't care about Nationals just wanted to play in 18UB ASA State here.

 

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Let me change subjects a second... with ASA - I keep hearing about a 'release' - I don't see where that applies - can someone point me to the ASA rules for that... also I see there is a standard and championship roster .. can someone clarify the difference?

Basically, a team/coach turns in their roster to ASA online (assuming they get the ASA insurance) and sanction.

But a player is not locked to a roster until they play in a tourney. As I understand it - players are 'locked' to a roster at each level and can go up a level with another team but not down or sideways...

Once you turn the roster into ASA online those players are locked and cannot be rostered onto another team without obtaining a release. Don't ask me why.

for example - when a team plays in an ENQ the 'championship' roster they submit for the tourney locks those girls to that team for all future ENQ's - the girls can not play in another regional qualifer with another team. BUT they can go play in a National Qualifer with another team .. once they do that - they can't play in any nat q's except with that team. BUT - they can go up and play in a ENQ with the next age .. and the process starts all over. If a team qualifies for a berth and accepts - those kids on the roster when they qualified can only play at that level tourney (Eastern, Northern,National) with the TEAM they qualified with.

Once the roster is submitted and they tourney played - they are locked - there is no releasing the player by the team/coach - what is done is done. When our pitcher exited our team - the new team coach called me asking for her release (which btw - we are totally fine with - we want her to go play somewhere and be happy. Some folks asked if she was 'stolen' and the answer is no, it was one of those times when it was best for all to get a clean break and fresh start). I did go online and and remove her from our roster and we will not have her on any roster we turn in the rest of the year - but since she was on our day/metro roster she is ineligible to play in any ENQ or Nat Q with her new team - right? I would hate to mess this up for her or us.

Does my logic sound right?

You as the coach cannot "just" unroster a player. It has to go thru Warren Jones, he has to go thru the national organization and then the player is released. She is then eligible to play where ever she likes. I may be mistaken but I think she can only change teams once in a year.

 

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DA Boss,

Thanks for sharing your advice and experience with us. It is appreciated.

 

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Once you turn the roster into ASA online those players are locked and cannot be rostered onto another team without obtaining a release. Don't ask me why.



You as the coach cannot "just" unroster a player. It has to go thru Warren Jones, he has to go thru the national organization and then the player is released. She is then eligible to play where ever she likes. I may be mistaken but I think she can only change teams once in a year.

That's how I understood it... I'm watching and ready to learn...might have to call Warren to be clear for myself. If anyone talks to him, please put his guidance on the forum.