Trophy Hunting

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i have mostly watch dd's tournies at that age bracket(dd's a 98). but even at 14u,16u there is no competition for the south. look at the coaches poll. and watch for the coaches poll this year. it is for the most part pretty acurate. there won't be any suprises from the north. for years i've seen teams roll through tournaments up north .take those same teams and put them in lasers,stingrays, metro... and there gone sunday morning.

Wow!

 

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Dennis ... I think I know what you're saying (partially because you've made this point several times in the past) and don't totally disagree, but I think some others may take this the wrong way.

Generally speaking, the teams in the far northeastern corner of the state haven't ventured out much and, when they have, they haven't fared too well. But there are some very fine organizations like the Ice, Outlaws, Sapphires, Maddogs, Valley Extreme, Wizards, etc. (sorry for any I've missed ... I'm not associated with any of these personally) in what I at least I classify as the northern part of the state, and there are other strong "regional" organizations like the Buckeye Heat and Lasers who have their fair share of players from the northern part of the state as well.

You are certainly right that those teams who stay in their little corner and don't venture out may just be in effect gathering local trophies, though for some I think it's more a matter of just not knowing what else is out there ... ignorance is bliss, right?

 

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I think that's a load of cr@p, there are teams from NEO that are good. Move back down south if you are so disappointed.

 

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I wonder how the Lasers Scarlet and others would have done without the "northern" kids (Akron/Canton area players).

 

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I think that's a load of cr@p, there are teams from NEO that are good. Move back down south if you are so disappointed.

:lmao: Klump is awesome

 

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If I'm not mistaken the Tidalwaves 94 are all north. I would bet there were not too many times that they were not in the top 5 of any Ohio tournament.

 

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I know I get tired of seeing all those teams from the south at Akron every year playing for High School State championships.....:lmao:

 

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I know I get tired of seeing all those teams from the south at Akron every year playing for High School State championships.....:lmao:

No doubt

 

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coach jwb. nice reply. i'm not talking about high school or organizations like the lasers. one of the best teams in the state came from far northeast(poland, green...) and the southeast(keystone elyria...)consistantly one of the best in the state. and yes there are some one year wonder teams from up north(travel). there is a talent,and coaching dividing line through the state. and since it's rare for northern teams to venture down south, i'll stick by that comment. to klump and rest. prove me wrong, i don't think it will happen. because you and the rest are happy with winning those tournaments up north.

 

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Yup...i remember reading that they had 5 or 6 kids from LaGrange on the team and five of those kids signed their NLI's this fall and if i'm not mistaking, that team made a good run at ASA Nats.

Yes they did. If I remember correctly they placed like 10th a couple years ago.

 

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Dennis ... I'm totally lost now as to what point you are trying to make. So the teams in the north aren't going down south and/or doing well if they do go south, but the teams in the south are going up north and doing well there? I was trying to help you a little because you surely weren't saying the south has all the best teams, but perhaps you were and/or are just trying to stir up trouble. I guess it doesn't really matter. Any chance you're closely related to someone named Scott?

 

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Dennis ... I'm totally lost now as to what point you are trying to make. So the teams in the north aren't going down south and/or doing well if they do go south, but the teams in the south are going up north and doing well there? I was trying to help you a little because you surely weren't saying the south has all the best teams, but perhaps you were and/or are just trying to stir up trouble. I guess it doesn't really matter. Any chance you're closely related to someone named Scott?

I can't figure out what he is saying either!! I agree that the tournaments in the "North" are not as competitive as the southern tournaments i.e. Lasers/Stingrays/Orrville/Hawks etc.; but I do not agree that the North doesn't put out some good ball players and some very good high school softball teams.

Are we talking northern tournaments or northern teams/players?

I'm thinking the former considering his daughter is from the "north" and plays for a "northern" team....

 

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coachjwb. i do tend to jump around alot. the southern teams consistently have the better teams,organization,coaches. sometimes they will go north but not often. northern teams,organizations are happy where their at. you don't see them down south.

 

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coachjwb. i do tend to jump around alot. the southern teams consistently have the better teams,organization,coaches. sometimes they will go north but not often. northern teams,organizations are happy where their at. you don't see them down south.

bunch of ****.

Laser Scarlet has more northern girls than southern girls. laser Gold's coach is northern, and many of their best players. Tidal Waves (Keystone) are dynamite. Just because some in the columbus are have decided to become Tournament directors and put up with all the headaches does not mean that is where the center of fastpitch resides.

the akron area has been the center for years.

Do you consider Loudonville North or South. Loudonville has the longest running, well organized tournament in the state. Stingrays took off, just because ot the location. And they select the teams. Northern teams apply, but are not chosen.

you must be new to the fastpitch scene. Let me guess, your kid plays 12u?

 

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Last year after my DD's 18u team won a ASA/USA qualifer we found out we couldn't play at States which was 2 weekends later. After some talk decided to pick out a tournament and play just to play. I believe the few tournament directors that had openings in their tournament that we called wouldn't let us in. Wonder why?..

I have no idea why any tournament that still had the door open would turn down a team to enter. I don't know anyone that sorts the teams interested for the simple reason to try and insure the host team could win. Tournaments are about making money-----bottom line. Qualifiers are a gimmick to help attract teams to enter. Some tourneys now advertise they are NOT qualifiers to attract teams. I think you can figure out why.

If it's an issue of classification, it's this very reason a have always appreciated the USSSA format. They have a system to award bonus points if you are registered class B and play a class A team and even more points awarded if you win. I'm not an expert but the system in the past seemed to always get teams ranked pretty close to their ability. I realize we don't see many USSSA tournaments in our area anymore. Personally, I think it is a shame. I agree, it doesn't help the weekend results of which teams receive trophies but everyone gains something in the ranking system if you play.

With tourneys filling up months in advance, the ASA system shows it has flaws. Tournaments can only play a certain amount of games in a given time frame on a given amount of diamonds they have to use. Once you reach that maximum, the scheduling is over. That's why some tournaments only allow X amount of teams to enter. You have to understand some directors have no other options. Business decisions are made, then everyone holds their breath that Mother Nature is on board.

I can only speak for myself and say that any team I'm the head coach we will play anyone. I've never backed down from any team. We've been beaten badly----we've won a few. My goal is to make sure there is a lesson learned from the experience and to be sure they keep everything in perspective. Getting the families on board is a huge task. Getting the girls to learn something positive in a negative environment is almost impossible.

 

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coach jwb. nice reply. i'm not talking about high school or organizations like the lasers. one of the best teams in the state came from far northeast(poland, green...) and the southeast(keystone elyria...)consistantly one of the best in the state. and yes there are some one year wonder teams from up north(travel). there is a talent,and coaching dividing line through the state. and since it's rare for northern teams to venture down south, i'll stick by that comment. to klump and rest. prove me wrong, i don't think it will happen. because you and the rest are happy with winning those tournaments up north.

XS 2012 Summer Schedule

Tiger Town Kickoff - Massillon ASA 4gg
Capital City Bat Wars - Columbus ASA 7gg
Laser Nation by Invitation - Columbus ASA 6gg
Loudonville - Loudonville ASA 4gg
Fire in the Sky - Orrville ASA 4gg
Jamboree - Zanesville ASA 7gg
ASA A Eastern Nationals

We had to drop out of a few because we already qualified for Nationals and are going to fill in when we find an appropriate replacement.

Doesn't look like you are quite as familiar with how everyone does things in the Northern part of the state as you seem to think.

 

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I can't figure out what he is saying either!! I agree that the tournaments in the "North" are not as competitive as the southern tournaments i.e. Lasers/Stingrays/Orrville/Hawks etc.; but I do not agree that the North doesn't put out some good ball players and some very good high school softball teams.

Are we talking northern tournaments or northern teams/players?

I'm thinking the former considering his daughter is from the "north" and plays for a "northern" team....

confused did Orrville move south and not tell anyone

 

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Define North. Being from the South, I consider anything C-Bus and up as North. That being said, give me a list of competitive, top level tournaments South of C-Bus. ( In the state of Ohio )

 

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Define North. Being from the South, I consider anything C-Bus and up as North. That being said, give me a list of competitive, top level tournaments South of C-Bus.

Here's my list Gopher...

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And for the record, I don't consider Dayton Metro "south" of Columbus since it's a stones throw from I-70. I-70 being the divider in my mind.

 

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i've always said north of akron. i would never put the ice organization in the north. hey woolfy, why do you think the northern teams apply and are not taken? i also said forget about high school and the organizations like lasers,ice... and yes i also said there are teams up north that compete. but you must of missed that reply.