What player is more valuable to a team.

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Wow, the last time I checked this was not a game of chess, if only the pitcher and the catcher matter then why have an infield or an outfield. I have yet to see at 10u or 12u where the pitcher dominates the game and doesn't have to have the help of her defense.

 

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You can also build a team like John Hart did. Put together 9 good sticks and bludgeon people.

 

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softballfan74, you must be talking about rec or maybe even slowpitch

 

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if everyone on this thread is talking about having 8 other girls then yes everyone is important. If my shortstops not there and balls are hit to her then yea she now is the most important girl on the team. Same with first, how about center. If my catchers not there there would never be a strikeout. I'm talking about the routine play. Being able to execute and use your fundemental ability to catch a ball or throw one to first base. It's going to be up to the pitcher to make that easy or difficult.

 

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For me it is the hitter who comes to the plate thinking where am I going to hit the ball and not IF I am going to hit the ball. Why? Because we do not have a strike zone, we have a hitting zone and we can hit a pitch that is 5 to 8 inches off the plate and we only want the blind umpire to call safe or out as it is my job as a hitter to determine what I can hit and blue has nothing to do with that. :lmao: My job is how can I get on base or can I advance the runner. Where is the defense going to give me the greatest opportunity to put the ball in the dirt, the grass or the parking lot?

When I am playing defense, hit the ball to me and I will make the play as the pitcher can not be expected to strike every hitter out she faces and the catcher can not throw every runner out. However as a team we can probably beat who ever we are playing because we are playing one more second, one more minute, one more hour, one more game than the other team is willing to play as they probably only practice once a week!

We are all important in winning and take the responsibility if we loose as we are a team.

The only people that think other wise are the coaches or parents!

 

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Each and every player has equal value to a team, lets just go with that so every position players parents and coaches that can't accept the fact of who is more valuable player really is will be happy. ;&;&;&

 

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" unless the pitchers dad was signaling in pitches to his daughter from the stands because he knows the coach does not know what he is doing anyway "

:lmao::lmao: Now Thats funny ........ :lmao::lmao:

believe it or not we ran into that last year at nationals in Maryland.....dad almost got ejected.

 

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I have to give some love to the well rounded player....My dd is a brick wall at first (origingally was a 3rd baseman but team she used to play on needed a first baseman) who turned alot of bad throws into outs, dropped the bunt to advance a runner when needed and could hit to the left and right side to get the team than needed rbi. Not the fastest but knew how to run the bases CORRECTLY, got dirty and played hurt. Give me a team of those players anytime!!!!!

 

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Saw a 1 hitter and 2 hitter thrown respecively by both pitchers in same game at nationals.

That equated to ZERO EARNED RUNS scored and potentially a 0-0 tie.


However, one of the DEFENSES committed an error and a poor judgement causing a run, and neither offense could string two hits together.


So Pitching only gets you so far

and hitting only counts if you have pitching

oh yeah and great pitching loses 1-0 if their isn't defense.

THIS IS THE DUMBEST THREAD I"VE SEEN OUT HERE. Started by a ptichers parent maybe????? Or was it the power hitter's parent?????

Pretty sure it wasn't started by the parent whose kid plays SS or 3b, or 2b and had a .997 fielding average, because the NORMAL players understand that what they do IS EXPECTED.

 

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I'll take the stud pitcher any day of the week and twice on Sunday. A great pitcher and an average catcher will easily win more games than an average pitcher and a stud catcher. With the average pitcher and the stud catcher, chances are good the ball will never get to the catcher for her to make an impact (this is where the stud hitter comes in). As for the the hitter it's easy to work around a single stud hitter and like wave rider said, with a stud pitcher on the rubber the big hitter will only get 3-4 chances to make an impact, while the stud pitcher can make an impact with every pitch.

 

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There are different types of stud/ace pitchers they don't have to strike out every batter, my idea of the perfect inning is 3 pitches and 3 pop ups or 3 fielded grounders, it don't really matter as long as the runner don't get around the bases. A good solid defense will make a good pitcher into a superstar. It just helps if the called pitch is in the favor of the defense and makes the batter hit the pitch that they don't really like or want to see.

 

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Asked dd who is a pitcher what she thought and she said a strong catcher.

 

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someone told me today that the outfielders are most important at the older age group. They can take a really good hit away and good hitting beats good pitching. Interesting point of view!

 

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someone told me today that the outfielders are most important at the older age group. They can take a really good hit away and good hitting beats good pitching. Interesting point of view!

Good hitting beats good pitching???? good one.....lol

 

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I agree with triplethreat(dumb thread). My dd and I are taking her pitching scholarship and leaving this thread.

 

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Ya wanna know what beats good pitching? Small ball and aggressive base running.

P.S. I give up! See JoeA1010 below.

 

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I am going to post here without even looking back to see whether I already posted in this thread. If I did post in this thread and my answer was something different, then feel free to ignore my previous misguided thoughts.

Too many people are overthinking this question. In this game, a stud pitcher is far and away the most valuable player to have. It's not even close.

 

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In this game, a stud pitcher is far and away the most valuable player to have. It's not even close.

Absolutely, and the reason is simple.

Even the best hitter (yes, I'm talking about my dd) can get you no more than three or four hits per game.

But a great pitcher can eliminate a whole slew of hits by the opposition -- easily six, eight or ten.

Assuming negative total bases for the opposition is equal to positive total bases for our team, the pitcher is *much* more valuable.

Doesn't matter if she can't hit or field or play the guitar or even feed herself. She's still the most valuable player on our team.

 

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But a great pitcher can eliminate a whole slew of hits by the opposition -- easily six, eight or ten.

Assuming the catcher doesn't allow past balls and the fielders do not commit errors, thus putting those hitless hitters on base.

I will say this: Concerning college athletic scholarships, on average, the pitcher gets the most money, followed by the catcher, then followed by the fielders.

Len

 

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How valuable was Roger Clemens or Randy Johnson or Bob Gibson in their prime? Take one of them and make them 4 to 5 times more valuable to their team and then you have a stud softball pitcher's value since the softball pitcher can throw most every game, whereas the baseball pitchers can go once every five games or so.

And other than a really small high school, any team with a stud pitcher will have a solid catcher. I don't see many total stud pitchers by high school age racking up 30 strikeouts a game because nobody can catch a third strike.

When I coached high school ball, I saw many teams that were very average teams that would go 22-5 or the like simply because of a pitcher. No position player will take a team from a .500 team to 22-5.