Why are there so many travel team tryouts before the summer tournament season is over?

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Karen, thank you for a great topic of discussion. I'm a little old school and believe both sides of the equation should finish up Nationals before any deadlines are given. Now don't get me wrong, I've made 1 offer to a player for next year and asked to let me know by Sunday August 13th. Which is the last day of our Lasers Green tryout in Columbus, Ohio.

Allow teams / players to finish season is how it should be done...I seen post in late June from teams/coaches asking for players/parents to send them their schedule so they could check them out in season...
 

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There is a serious lack of commitment from some coaches, always looking for the next best thing and not investing in the talent they currently have on staff. Some coaches feel the pressure of org heads to build bigger and better teams year after year, completely overlooking what could become of a certain player. Thus, we have parents almost forced to keep an eye out for opportunities for the next season before the current season is over. This sport has become so cut throat in ways that didn't seem to exist just a few years ago. Add in the fact that year after year there are more and more teams formed and there will always be the need for coaches to scoop up and grab that next best thing before the other team gets her.
 

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There is a serious lack of commitment from some coaches, always looking for the next best thing and not investing in the talent they currently have on staff.

That's because many "coaches" can't coach (instruct). They're simply lineup card filler-outers. ... always looking for free agents instead of developing their own players.
 

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If the coach is asking you for an "early" declaration of intentions, turn it back on them "Coach, if I return, will you guarantee me starting at 3rd base (catcher, batting cleanup...)?". Very few will. It's a one way street - the player has to commit, but the coach never does.

Lou you say this as if this would be out of the ordinary or unexpected, but I have had this exact same scenario happen more than you think. This year we had a great kid with a great family who we really wanted to come back for next season. We gave her a deadline for her decision and she put it directly back on us... "I would like to come back" (is what she said to us), but it was in a capacity that SHE thoughtfully laid out (not the parents). Unfortunately for us, the way our team was structured we could not honor that request and so she made a decision to move on. At the end of the day I still love that kid and remain friends with her parents. Maybe 2 yrs from now our team is a perfect fit for her... who knows??? No more than 3 days after that I was on my way to Columbus to work a kid out that we were VERY interested in. 15 min into the drive, the father called me and said I could still come down, but his daughter had just got off the phone with the Beverly Bandits and had accepted their offer. No hard feelings and I turned my car around and came back home... just the cost of doing business. I think the kid had a great opportunity and she accepted it. The father and I agreed to stay in contact and we have. Finally, 2 weeks after that I got an email from a dad looking for a spot for his kid. I know a little about the team she played for and her resume was impressive. My team was full, but I called the coach of one of my competitors and put dad and the coach in touch.
For whatever reasons I think there is this belief that ALL coaches are cut-throat and treat kids and families like property, but I just don't see it that way. Of course there are coaches who operate this way, but there are also players, parents, umps, org leaders, etc... who also are questionable people. At the end of the day I think the majority of coaches are good people who give a lot to the game and just want to put together a competitive team of good kids and good families without drama. As this game (and amateur athletics in general) become more and more competitive by the year, the path to putting that very talented but drama-free team becomes narrower by the day. We lose our teams if we're stagnant, but judged if we make offers too early (both travel and college programs). The reality is as long as there are less D1 athletic scholarships than there are players that want them, and less game-changing type players than there are college/travel programs that need them, we are never going to see people stop upping the ante to compete for limited resources. We can always regulate more, but if it hasn't always worked that well in other segments of our society I'm not sure why we expect it to work in softball... there are those that will always find a way around the rules. Instead my best advice would be to look for a manager/coach who will communicate to you in a way you feel comfortable with and conducts team business in a way you find acceptable. There is nothing wrong at all with your suggestion of how to handle coaches putting on the pressure, although I would never recommend asking to be guaranteed starting time. Ask questions and get answers before making decisions... that much you can control. In terms of asking families and athletic programs to dampen their competitiveness for what they perceive as "the best?"... Good luck!
 

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That's because many "coaches" can't coach (instruct). They're simply lineup card filler-outers. ... always looking for free agents instead of developing their own players.

There is ALWAYS someone better out there. When you spend all your time looking for it and not invested in the ones you have, it becomes counter productive. Constant turn on a team does not allow for continuity. There is something to be said for allowing relationships to build, kids going through tough times, and celebrating wins. You just cant replace comradery!
 

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Ding Ding Ding! we have a winner. I saw more kids leaving early this year than ever!


Amen to that.. We are at ASA/USA Nationals right now in Findlay and have heard reports from several teams here who had girls just NOT SHOW UP.. for NATIONALS.. Who does this? I think there is blame/responsibility on all sides here, as others have said. After Stingrays tournie is over, parents start looking for greener pastures, coaches start stressing, and then you insert a late national. It's a recipe for disaster.

Honestly, we have had players tell us before the end of the season that they are not coming back. We have not treated them any differently than we would have if they were coming back. If its a good talented player, why would you? And if its not the most talented player, still why would you? I say treat them all with respect through the end of the season, it will pay off in the long run.
 

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They definitely didn't force us to switch, and we didn't switch, just removed ourselves from the situation. It became more of a divorce than a fun summer ending to softball. Lol. Threats were made if we did choose to leave and I felt it was best for the team and my family to remove ourselves. Honestly have never handled tryouts this way and was caught off guard. I would def handle things differently if in a similar situation. Wow and others made some good points about the back room dealings and coaches perspective , which this thread has helped me to understand. I agree there is blame on parents and players, not a fun time of year sometimes. Lol. However, it needs to be handled with much more class, and the kids have to be left out of it. No one should no longer feel apart of a team with 3 tourneys left. This isn't a good situation for the team or player, especially when replacements have already been brought to the team for next year.

So 3ballbratz, you are saying replacements were brought in prior to you leaving? Were these "replacements" taking your DDs position? Or were they add ons to the next years roster? And based on your earlier posts, since you knew you were not coming back, you gave the team plenty of notice that you would not be attending the last event so the team and coach could prepare and get the needed players!

As a coach I believe honesty is the best case, not sure what age group all are in but as a coach, if I know someone is not coming back (always their decision) I would like to start looking for the next fit for the team. But I truly believe all commitments should be kept on both ends! A decision to leave early on a parents behalf effects all players not just 1. What irks me is when parents/coaches/players are not honest. Not sure if it is because they are afraid to tell the truth or what, but one thing you can not argue with is the truth! I personally would much rather have someone tell me something I do not want to hear other than lying about it!

And as a Coach who advocates for his girls every week to college coaches, I mean hundreds of hours to help promote and market the girls for free. If someone would drop out of the last tournament on me I may have the same response as your coach. College coaches want to know about the player and family and it is my job to give them the truth.

Once again JMO
 
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I truly believe all commitments should be kept on both ends! A decision to leave early on a parents behalf effects all players not just 1. What irks me is when parents/coaches/players are not honest. Not sure if it is because they are afraid to tell the truth or what, but one thing you can not argue with is the truth! I personally would much rather have someone tell me something I do not want to hear other than lying about it!

Coach,

You bring up a excellent point. HONESTY. Just not something you can throw around. Most people cant handle the truth (INSERT Col. Jessep reffrence from: A Few Good Men Circa 1992 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FnO3igOkOk). Everyone from parents to coaches needs to be reminded we are all students of the game. Learning and getting better are a part of that process. Sharing both the good and BAD is paramount. Being able to have open dialogue without all the hostility, which is the root cause of most of the mid season departures. There is culpability everywhere and until folks can stop blaming others and look internally I am afraid this mentality of constant "grass is greener" will continue.

Here is a question. How many times do hear, on this forum, a kid was the problem? Almost never! Its always a crazy parent or merry go round coach who is at fault. Its sad when the grown folk are the ones who cant figure this out for the kids they THINK they are protecting!
 
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As a fantasy parent I think you should leave.

As a fantasy coach I think you should replace them all.

In the real world I am still waiting for a single one of my MANY outlandish posts to adversely effect my kid.
 

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I mean,,,

It's gotta happen sooner or later...

Right??
 

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First weekend in August...The competitive teams are playing the ones on the outside looking up are having tryouts...
 

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Amen to that.. We are at ASA/USA Nationals right now in Findlay and have heard reports from several teams here who had girls just NOT SHOW UP.. for NATIONALS.. Who does this? I think there is blame/responsibility on all sides here, as others have said. After Stingrays tournie is over, parents start looking for greener pastures, coaches start stressing, and then you insert a late national. It's a recipe for disaster.

Honestly, we have had players tell us before the end of the season that they are not coming back. We have not treated them any differently than we would have if they were coming back. If its a good talented player, why would you? And if its not the most talented player, still why would you? I say treat them all with respect through the end of the season, it will pay off in the long run.

What about the Coach that schedules a Nationals for August 4-6 and doesn't invite or even say anything about it to two of his current players? Had this happen this year. We were at a tryout with the team and the girls and parents were all talking about it and we knew nothing about it. What kind of coach does that?
 

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What about the Coach that schedules a Nationals for August 4-6 and doesn't invite or even say anything about it to two of his current players? Had this happen this year. We were at a tryout with the team and the girls and parents were all talking about it and we knew nothing about it. What kind of coach does that?

This has to be up there with the worst thing to do....
 

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What about the Coach that schedules a Nationals for August 4-6 and doesn't invite or even say anything about it to two of his current players? Had this happen this year. We were at a tryout with the team and the girls and parents were all talking about it and we knew nothing about it. What kind of coach does that?

Can't even imagine . . .
 

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What about the Coach that schedules a Nationals for August 4-6 and doesn't invite or even say anything about it to two of his current players? Had this happen this year. We were at a tryout with the team and the girls and parents were all talking about it and we knew nothing about it. What kind of coach does that?

Sad to say its very common. I think what's worse is when everyone on the team knows about "Super duper national at large bid" but only certain kids are invited. Has to be the single fastest way to create dissention.
 

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Sad to say its very common. I think what's worse is when everyone on the team knows about "Super duper national at large bid" but only certain kids are invited. Has to be the single fastest way to create dissention.

Fortunately it's not common enough that I've encountered an example of this occurring. Is there anyone who will defend this, or even admit to doing it? I'd love to see the rationale.
 

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A three day national? Sounds more like an end of the year tournament...still no class from a coach that plays all year with ladies then brings in ringers to end the year sad...this sounds like a team/coach that does not do the other things right either
 
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I intentionally waited until Nationals were over to conduct tryouts and make decisions about next season, out of respect for my current team that was playing at Nationals.

I'm appalled at the number of teams that were evaluating players in June & July. I may have paid a price for waiting until Nationals were over, but I don't regret it.

Christmas decorations before Halloween is a great analogy. Never liked it, never will.

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I intentionally waited until Nationals were over to conduct tryouts and make decisions about next season, out of respect for my current team that was playing at Nationals.

I'm appalled at the number of teams that were evaluating players in June & July. I may have paid a price for waiting until Nationals were over, but I don't regret it.

Christmas decorations before Halloween is a great analogy. Never liked it, never will.

Scott Sevenish
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Great Post^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I like the Christmas lights analogy....Some teams leave them up all year....
 
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