Why would a coach do this? (The Softball Zone Radio Show Thread of the Week)

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I think as a coach the BEST WAY to serve your team is to know the rules!
Sounds like there are some coaches who appear to be clueless on the rules OR AT LEAST ONE.........
Or just follows whatever works for him at the time & conviences himself & those around him he is right....
"Fool Me Once, Shame On You!, Fool Me Twice - SHAME ON ALL OF US!!!"
Wow, it is just something new every few days........
 
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In the heat of the moment we all do things we regret. I have no excuses only explanations. Allow me to set the stage. 2 times previously we have faced the slammers in pool play. The first one ended in a pitching duel 3-0. The second in not so dramatic fashion with the slammers run ruling us. This past game in question was bracket play with the slammers being the home team, they were up 5-2 bottom of 4 with under 3 minutes to go in regulation and we were trying to get our 3rd out to get another opportunity to hit before time expired. Then the girl in question came up to bat and launched a 180'+ BOMB over right center field. One of those type hits that you know it's out as soon as it leaves the bat. I did not see the player get assisted nor did I say anything to the umpire. Here is the problem- I am 100% responsible for not only the way my players and assistant coaches act, but also the way the parents of my players act. What happens on the field and in my dugout is my responsibility. I made a HUGE mistake by not putting a stop to it, when I knew morally that was the right thing to do. Technically a rule was violated, morally, that violation didn't assist the ball in going over the fence.

***By saying "technically a rule was violated" I was speaking in the moment of the game based on the advice given to me by an NSA umpire who happens to also be a parent. This happened Sunday prior to the clarification. I believe it is understood now by numerous posts that this is not a violation of the rules. ****

I felt horrible the second that the umpire left the conference and put his fist in the air. The only thing I knew to do was to instruct my girls to get a ball and sign it for that girl. My apologies to her and her family and the Slammers team. It is and will remain a home run in my eyes. This is not indicative of the way that I coach or teach the game- those who know me, know this to be true. Those who don't can question my integrity all day long. Bottom line is this- I made a mistake in a game that I was trying to give my girls every opportunity to win. I feel like if I don't fight for my girls, then why should they fight for me? And what times/ rules are my girls worth fighting for and which times/ rules are they not? I obviously took that too far. It was a mistake that I won't ever forget as I would never want a girl to feel any less about herself after a shot like that. I explained this to my team after the game and admitted to them that I made a mistake morally, and explained to them why I did it. It doesn't make the situation any better. But like I tell my girls on a daily basis- learn from your errors, don't let one mistake turn into 2 or 3, and learn from it so the you can make the right play next time. I've learned from my mistake and I know I will not allow a situation like that again.
 
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In the heat of the moment we all do things we regret. I have no excuses only explanations. Allow me to set the stage. 2 times previously we have faced the slammers in pool play. The first one ended in a pitching duel 3-0. The second in not so dramatic fashion with the slammers run ruling us. This past game in question was bracket play with the slammers being the home team, they were up 5-2 bottom of 4 with under 3 minutes to go in regulation and we were trying to get our 3rd out to get another opportunity to hit before time expired. Then the girl in question came up to bat and launched a 180'+ BOMB over right center field. One of those type hits that you know it's out as soon as it leaves the bat. I did not see the player get assisted nor did I say anything to the umpire. Here is the problem- I am 100% responsible for not only the way my players and assistant coaches act, but also the way the parents of my players act. What happens on the field and in my dugout is my responsibility. I made a HUGE mistake by not putting a stop to it, when I knew morally that was the right thing to do. Technically a rule was violated, morally, that violation didn't assist the ball in going over the fence. I felt horrible the second that the umpire left the conference and put his fist in the air. The only thing I knew to do was to instruct my girls to get a ball and sign it for that girl. My apologies to her and her family and the Slammers team. It is and will remain a home run in my eyes. This is not indicative of the way that I coach or teach the game- those who know me, know this to be true. Those who don't can question my integrity all day long. Bottom line is this- I made a mistake in a game that I was trying to give my girls every opportunity to win. I feel like if I don't fight for my girls, then why should they fight for me? And what times/ rules are my girls worth fighting for and which times/ rules are they not? I obviously took that too far. It was a mistake that I won't ever forget as I would never want a girl to feel any less about herself after a shot like that. I explained this to my team after the game and admitted to them that I made a mistake morally, and explained to them why I did it. It doesn't make the situation any better. But like I tell my girls on a daily basis- learn from your errors, don't let one mistake turn into 2 or 3, and learn from it so the you can make the right play next time. I've learned from my mistake and I know I will not allow a situation like that again.

Just curious, was there a rule infraction or the umpires pressured into a phantom rule violation by the fans? If so what rule? Nice to see a coach step up and take ownership of an issue all too many times you see the blame game. Sounds like in this case (unless there was really a rule violation) it was bad umpiring...
 
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In the heat of the moment we all do things we regret. I have no excuses only explanations. Allow me to set the stage. 2 times previously we have faced the slammers in pool play. The first one ended in a pitching duel 3-0. The second in not so dramatic fashion with the slammers run ruling us. This past game in question was bracket play with the slammers being the home team, they were up 5-2 bottom of 4 with under 3 minutes to go in regulation and we were trying to get our 3rd out to get another opportunity to hit before time expired. Then the girl in question came up to bat and launched a 180'+ BOMB over right center field. One of those type hits that you know it's out as soon as it leaves the bat. I did not see the player get assisted nor did I say anything to the umpire. Here is the problem- I am 100% responsible for not only the way my players and assistant coaches act, but also the way the parents of my players act. What happens on the field and in my dugout is my responsibility. I made a HUGE mistake by not putting a stop to it, when I knew morally that was the right thing to do. Technically a rule was violated, morally, that violation didn't assist the ball in going over the fence. I felt horrible the second that the umpire left the conference and put his fist in the air. The only thing I knew to do was to instruct my girls to get a ball and sign it for that girl. My apologies to her and her family and the Slammers team. It is and will remain a home run in my eyes. This is not indicative of the way that I coach or teach the game- those who know me, know this to be true. Those who don't can question my integrity all day long. Bottom line is this- I made a mistake in a game that I was trying to give my girls every opportunity to win. I feel like if I don't fight for my girls, then why should they fight for me? And what times/ rules are my girls worth fighting for and which times/ rules are they not? I obviously took that too far. It was a mistake that I won't ever forget as I would never want a girl to feel any less about herself after a shot like that. I explained this to my team after the game and admitted to them that I made a mistake morally, and explained to them why I did it. It doesn't make the situation any better. But like I tell my girls on a daily basis- learn from your errors, don't let one mistake turn into 2 or 3, and learn from it so the you can make the right play next time. I've learned from my mistake and I know I will not allow a situation like that again.


Sorry coach but this was not a rules violation. Your parent coach that informed you of this is wrong and so is the umpire for making the ruling. If either of them actually knew the rule http://www.thesoftballzone.com/vb3/general-softball/59023-do-you-take-her-home-run-away-2.html - then none of this would have happened.
My only advice to you is listen to your gut and not your stands. Usually, those on the cool metal have long played out their career but still think they are wearing their mit.
 
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Matt ... thanks for your post ... it takes a man to admit a mistake. We all make them ... lots of people just won't admit to it ... but the important thing is that we learn from them. I know I made a ton of mistakes in my early coaching days, and a few less in my later coaching days. One lesson I did learn was to not listen to those parents and, to be honest, it cost me more than once in their eyes ... but that's OK ... I woke up the next morning feeling better about myself than I would have otherwise.

And, by the way, as I understand what happened, it doesn't sound to me like any rule was violated either as was explained by Bretman in the other thread.
 
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As was said and determined in previous threads there was no rule violation.

As was told to me by a former player that is now coaching - the younger the team, the louder the bleachers. Coaches should choose their asst coaches and parents with as much thought as they do their players at tryouts. Drama coaches and parents at 10u do not change their colors over the years.
 
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Matt, I am sure you are a stand up guy. You made 2 bad decisions...first, the pitch call to the slammers hammer and then protesting the home run. I applaud you for attempting to post here and set the record straight. IMO you have sunk even lower in some people's eyes, including mine for trying to justify it with the line, "Technically a rule was violated...". There is not much justification for this. You sound like your assistant coach trying to justify rolling bats and the protest of the home run just as he was throwing you under the bus. It would have been much more appealing had you just left that part out. This is one of those true teaching moments and I hope everyone learns from this...including the in the know coaches and umpires.
 
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I know Matt and he is a good guy. We have played them many times with out any problems. I consider him to be a really good coach who cares a lot about his kids. It's only 10u but there are high expectations with that org. The problem is Glory-Guy. Unfortunately his kid will suffer. Good luck at try-outs if your not the Head coach!
 
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I know Matt and he is a good guy. We have played them many times with out any problems. I consider him to be a really good coach who cares a lot about his kids. It's only 10u but there are high expectations with that org. The problem is Glory-Guy. Unfortunately his kid will suffer. Good luck at try-outs if your not the Head coach!
watch out he might sue you!:lmao:
 
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Come on guys, read the entire post.

***By saying "technically a rule was violated" I was speaking in the moment of the game based on the advice given to me by an NSA umpire who happens to also be a parent. This happened Sunday prior to the clarification. I believe it is understood now by numerous posts that this is not a violation of the rules. ****
 
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Did anyone else's mother ever teach them that "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?" I am almost as bothered by the piling on here as what started it all. Trust me, if you have never stepped in dog ****, one day you will. Just hope it doesn't get blown up on OFC! True CZ needs to learn when to shut up. I get why Matt feels bad but who is really at fault? In all reality the umpire should have said "nice try" and laughted him off. The fact that he didn't is the epic fail in all of this. But I've seen home runs nullified for missing a base and removing helmet before stepping on home plate, didn't change the fact that the ball was hit over the fence and the player was upset. Is the coach who appealed the missed base an A-hole for making the appeal? There are worse things in life I think a lot of people should get over it.
 
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So was the person who persuaded the Stingrays head coach to protest the HR a parent from the stands or also an assistant coach to this team ? As a head coach I cant imagine ( but I wasnt in this guys shoes) being persuaded by a dad from the stands to PROTEST A 10 U PLAYERS HOME RUN BECAUSE HER TEAM MATES TOUCHED HER . Priorities might need to be re-evaulated and not tomorrow . If you are that focused on W's and L's at 10u your focus might be a tad off . Say you came back and won this all important contest , was it worth it ? for what ? a 7.99 trophy ? the ability to brag here on OFC ? Microcosm of all that is wrong with youth sports . And as all has witnessed the past couple weeks there is a common thread to the absurdity .
 
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So was the person who persuaded the Stingrays head coach to protest the HR a parent from the stands or also an assistant coach to this team ? As a head coach I cant imagine ( but I wasnt in this guys shoes) being persuaded by a dad from the stands to PROTEST A 10 U PLAYERS HOME RUN BECAUSE HER TEAM MATES TOUCHED HER . Priorities might need to be re-evaulated and not tomorrow . If you are that focused on W's and L's at 10u your focus might be a tad off . Say you came back and won this all important contest , was it worth it ? for what ? a 7.99 trophy ? the ability to brag here on OFC ? Microcosm of all that is wrong with youth sports . And as all has witnessed the past couple weeks there is a common thread to the absurdity .
Some will never learn Dan. I enjoy the game sooo much more now then before when a W meant everything.
 
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So was the person who persuaded the Stingrays head coach to protest the HR a parent from the stands or also an assistant coach to this team ? As a head coach I cant imagine ( but I wasnt in this guys shoes) being persuaded by a dad from the stands to PROTEST A 10 U PLAYERS HOME RUN BECAUSE HER TEAM MATES TOUCHED HER . Priorities might need to be re-evaulated and not tomorrow . If you are that focused on W's and L's at 10u your focus might be a tad off . Say you came back and won this all important contest , was it worth it ? for what ? a 7.99 trophy ? the ability to brag here on OFC ? Microcosm of all that is wrong with youth sports . And as all has witnessed the past couple weeks there is a common thread to the absurdity .
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Best post in quite awhile, pretty much sums up the hilarity weve been seeing lately.
 
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Ahh, now it makes sense.

That's what I get for being a late-comer this morning. :D
 
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Best post in quite awhile, pretty much sums up the hilarity weve been seeing lately.

I had to learn the hard way that what you and Tim and others had told me is true. Everyone knows I took my OFC lumps! Enjoy the game and the time with your DD. Its a journey and not a race. B4 you know it its all over!
 
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