Why would a coach do this? (The Softball Zone Radio Show Thread of the Week)

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In a 14U game a few weeks ago, our pitcher gave up a HR.. As the hitter was rounding the bases, she missed 3rd base on her way home. Our catcher, pointed at 3b and said she missed it. After a new ball was thrown in, the catcher told the pitcher to throw it to our 3b who stepped on the bag. The umpire held up the fist and called the out. I had a mix of emotions... I felt bad for the girl who just had a HR taken away, but I was excited that my young catcher (still 12yrs old) was aware of the situation and so heads up that she noticed that the bag was missed.

That HR would have had no bearing on the outcome of the game. I am still not sure what I would have done if I saw the bag missed, but I wasnt about to tell my player who saw it, to sweep it under the rug.

I know the opposing coach pretty well. He told me that was the girls 1st HR and that she told him she missed 1st base too. Made me feel even worse!!


If the kids are policing themselves at 14U, and taking control of their game, they are to be commended. That's just good coaching and instilling a sense of accountability and responsibility on your players. Let them decide the game. Your catcher was right to voice it, and obviously the umpire saw it too, otherwise he wouldn't (couldn't) have ruled the out (per the rules).

A coach looking to smackdown a 10 year old on a technicality that is not even a legitimate ruling is a whole different kettle of fish.
 
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All,
Please let me set this record straight. First off, I now know that this in fact is NOT a rule violation. At the time I legitimately thought it was, since I know it was enforced in a tournament last year. I remembered being told about it. I'm specifically referring to the legality of the situation not the morality of it. What I should have done after I heard about it last year was to research the rule myself, to see what rule was actually applied. As an umpire I should have done that research. I did not do that and that was my mistake. I have also been told that this is an often enforced situation, which we now know it should not be. Maybe some good will come of this situation, because this will draw so much attention to a myth that is mis-applied. (Again, this is purely what I'm told...I cannot personally attest to having seen this applied many times.)


This rule was enforced late last year and I remembered it. It was that experience that I drew upon which led me to believe that this was in fact a rule violation. This is why I told Matt about this infraction. It was brought to the umpire's attention and it was again mistakenly applied. Matt was not 100% clear about the rule, nor was I, but I was trusting the precedent that was set by that former ruling. Looking back, we both know that this entire situation is wrong and we both regret that it happened. There's nothing we can do to un-do the situation other than learn from it and be sure it never happens again.
I truly apologize to the young girl on the Slammers who hit that shot. It was a fantastic hit and I'm glad that Matt had his team presented that girl with a signed ball. The hit will never be taken away.


On a personal note, there have been many personal attacks on my character and my reputation. I am not a bad guy. I am a good coach. I have a deep passion for this game and for teaching the game to young girls which drives me to spend countless hours every week teaching, planning, coaching, etc. Those who know me, know that I am a dedicated and extremely hard working coach who gives his entire heart to teaching and coaching this game. I love talking about this game, about the players and what teams have great defenses, how such & such is pitching or hitting, etc. I enjoy talking to and I try to emulate the great coaches out there for I see the good that they do and I try to be like them. I do not sell altered bats nor do not I have any altered bats on my team so don't believe any of that because it is not true. I never have any bad intentions towards any player or team out there. Ever. I applaud and congratulate defensive players on opposing teams when they make great plays and I do that from the bottom of my heart. My team recognizes a player on the opposing team with a "Player of the Game" medal at the end of every pool play game, win or lose and that is the absolute BEST part of my entire tournament. I get to recognize that young girl in front of her teammates and my team and they all clap for her. I have been coaching youth sports for 7 years, 4 of them in travel softball and I absolutely LOVE it. I have been an umpire for 4 years and I believe I have at least average knowledge of the rules. (Missed out on this one...I admit that. I am not perfect and nobody is.)


I have posted over 600 times on this forum and there are only one or two that I regret. My batting average is pretty good. ;).


The girls who have played for me have always had positive experiences and I have left an indelible impression on them. I strive to be the coach that they tell their kids about, that I may bump into at the county fair 25 years from now and they say to their children, "THIS is Coach Chris....the coach I told you about....my best coach ever." That is my dream.


I honestly regret ever bringing up this rule this last weekend and I regret suggesting to Matt that it be envoked. I wish it had never happened and I'm very sorry it did. It was a mistake and I have learned from this.




CZ


I'd like to rob you of posting abilities. Softball is a game of errors but poor judgement of an adult with implications against a 10U GIRL cannot be captured in a stat. Shame on you.
And the fact that you said you saw this in practice and used it as a teaching tool makes you a liar.
 
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I'm not buying for one nanosecond the explanation . I see someone who is sorry they got caught .
 
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CZ - sorry but you reignited it...

You still don't get it do you. Rule or no rule, knowledge or lack of knowledge, intent or not - what you did was try to put yourself and your so-called love of the game smack dab in the middle of a 10 year olds game. Let me repeat that. What you did was try to put yourself and your so-called love of the game smack dab in the middle of a 10 year olds game...and effect it. Shame on you for doing that, and double shame for not realizing why it is/was/and always will be the wrong thing to do!! Many people have said this on your threads before - you just don't get it.

press the google button on your PC. Google this - team helps opponent around the bases after being injured hitting a home run. These two occurrences came in tournament COLLEGE games. In the spirit of the games these players, coaches and umpires accepted what happened and choose to be good human beings. They didn't care that these home runs knocked their teams out. They celebrated the other players accomplishments - instead of looking for silly rules to take it away from them. And yet you couldn't let that happen at a 10u game - let me repeat that - at a 10u game for god's sake.

And I find it interesting that you now say you have never sold an altered bat. Is that the case before or after you took that service off your website? You are the one that said you rolled bats - that is exactly why people believe it - you said it!!

Jeeze - keep thinking of damage control posts to put on this thread. All it does is remind those that really care about the sport what you truly seem to be about.
 
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I had many memory shattered as I grew up.

I didn't have my parents around to support me, like the kids have today. My dad work full time job and on weekends to support his large family and my mom was a home maker taken care of 6 kids.

Its funny because I had this happen to me in baseball I was rob of a home run because of a appeal.

And the funny thing is when the game was over I didn't give it a second thought. I was to Busy talking with the Cute Life Guard that I had a crush on at new Lexington city pool and going swimming with my friends.

The memory that was shattered by the way that hurt the most. That Cute Life Guard wouldn't marry me when I was 11 years old...

Ye Mom & Dad couldn't help me out there neither.

You want to hear more about my boy hood crush, who known I may even talk about that tonight.
 
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i had many memory shattered as i grew up.

I didn't have my parents around to support me, like the kids have today. My dad work full time job and on weekends to support his large family and my mom was a home maker taken care of 6 kids.

Its funny because i had this happen to me in baseball i was rob of a home run because of a appeal.

And the funny thing is when the game was over i didn't give it a second thought. I was to busy talking with the cute life guard that i had a crush on at new lexington city pool and going swimming with my friends.

The memory that was shattered by the way that hurt the most. That cute life guard wouldn't marry me when i was 11 years old...

Ye mom & dad couldn't help me out there neither.

You want to hear more about my boy hood crush, who known i may even talk about that tonight.
lol!
 
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CZ - sorry but you reignited it...

You still don't get it do you. Rule or no rule, knowledge or lack of knowledge, intent or not - what you did was try to put yourself and your so-called love of the game smack dab in the middle of a 10 year olds game. Let me repeat that. What you did was try to put yourself and your so-called love of the game smack dab in the middle of a 10 year olds game...and effect it. Shame on you for doing that, and double shame for not realizing why it is/was/and always will be the wrong thing to do!! Many people have said this on your threads before - you just don't get it.

press the google button on your PC. Google this - team helps opponent around the bases after being injured hitting a home run. These two occurrences came in tournament COLLEGE games. In the spirit of the games these players, coaches and umpires accepted what happened and choose to be good human beings. They didn't care that these home runs knocked their teams out. They celebrated the other players accomplishments - instead of looking for silly rules to take it away from them. And yet you couldn't let that happen at a 10u game - let me repeat that - at a 10u game for god's sake.

And I find it interesting that you now say you have never sold an altered bat. Is that the case before or after you took that service off your website? You are the one that said you rolled bats - that is exactly why people believe it - you said it!!

Jeeze - keep thinking of damage control posts to put on this thread. All it does is remind those that really care about the sport what you truly seem to be about.
Amen! The truth shall set you free!!!!:yahoo:
 
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Re: Why would a coach do this?

Im sure if everyone started questioning every game changing play,offensivly or defensively ,we would have complete and utter mayhem on the field.Thats why a good ump can make an assertive call and cut out the parents ****,and the coach's motives for questioning things andmake a judgement call.
 
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Amen! The truth shall set you free!!!!:yahoo:


Can you imagine the hysteria that was going on off the field during this meeting with the umpires? 10U is known to be a tad fan crazy and extremely vocal. How in the world did the umpire make it off the field alive?

The bigger question is, who in their right mind would flop out of their chair and run up to his daughter's coach and convince him to appeal the HR? It's baffling to me especially @ 10U.

If it were 16U, the girls would have taken all these brilliant minds to the woodshed.
 
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Can you imagine the hysteria that was going on off the field during this meeting with the umpires? 10U is known to be a tad fan crazy and extremely vocal. How in the world did the umpire make it off the field alive?

The bigger question is, who in their right mind would flop out of their chair and run up to his daughter's coach and convince him to appeal the HR? It's baffling to me especially @ 10U.

If it were 16U, the girls would have taken all these brilliant minds to the woodshed.
every "who in thier right mind" question has been directed at the same person the last 2 weeks LOL!

Both cases he started the threads that lashed him. Very strange to say the least.
 
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every "who in thier right mind" question has been directed at the same person the last 2 weeks LOL!

Both cases he started the threads that lashed him. Very strange to say the least.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm - Maybe CZ is a plant by that ultra clever Ricky to drive up the boards clicks, just sayin (?)
 
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The problem with both of these instances is that he brought them upon himself. I believe the ego got in the way both times and it couldn't be helped. It has to be about the girls, not you and it can't be personal. It is a novel thing with the opposing team MVP award, but it's about you. I hope one day you do get it, because it is an amazing thing...being able to teach the game of softball. It has been said time and time again, kids don't care how much you know...but they do know how much you care. As for the comment about being thought of by former players as the greatest coach ever...your grandkids will think your swell.
 
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We can continue to crucify the OP here, but I am pretty sure he has learned a lesson here, and I am also pretty sure that he is not the only person who would have done this in the pressure of trying to win a game. I will go back to the question I posed and what we will be talking about on the radio show tonight ... what if instead of the touching by teammates but instead a base had been missed (which clearly violates a rule)? Would anyone admit that they might bring this to either the attention of the coaches, players or umpires, because I am quite sure some would have ... at least before this thread?
 
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We can continue to crucify the OP here, but I am pretty sure he has learned a lesson here, and I am also pretty sure that he is not the only person who would have done this in the pressure of trying to win a game. I will go back to the question I posed and what we will be talking about on the radio show tonight ... what if instead of the touching by teammates but instead a base had been missed (which clearly violates a rule)? Would anyone admit that they might bring this to either the attention of the coaches, players or umpires, because I am quite sure some would have ... at least before this thread?
in the park yes over the fence never!
 
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Now I have CZ parents emailing me to stop picking on him LOL. Did you now the president of Glory is also co - owner of the bat rolling Field of dreams? WOW!!
 
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Seems like this would be a good time for a hijack about that indoor facility.......lol
 
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Re: Why would a coach do this?

As the Cincy Slammers Assistant Coach, I was completely blown away by this. I am not sure who this CZ and frankly don't care. I am not missing anything by not knowing the individual. I honestly would have never made this appeal to the umpires under any circumstance. I applaud opposing teams players when they make great plays against my team or any team. Win or lose it is all about the kids. In this case a 10 year old great kid with great parents was the victim. This was just one of the many calls the umpires butchered over the course of the day. I asked to appeal a few calls and was denied the right to an appeal. This was denied by the older male umpire. These appeals where not given. This umpire felt he should never be questioned. I myself have been an I umpire and I know this is not an easy thing to do, but to have egos stand in the way of a properly called game is wrong. If you are unaware or unsure of a rule you should clarify it. I think this CZ should just be a fan watching games and enjoy them. We should support the young ladies achievements and leave the technicalities to the umpires of the game. Hopefully he has learned something from all of this.
 
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Im thinking maybe we have reached the point ,were this thread needs to end.Yes some mistakes were made by coach's,parents,umpires.But tearing down people,org's people's investments in the game we enjoy,is a bit over the top.If your out of the game and got nothing else to do than rip on people get a life.If your part of the game a coach parent org leader your time could be coming when you make your public mistake,is this what you want,when it happands? The kids are probably allready over it ,lets do the same.
 
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