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How many 14 year old girls get offers from colleges? Is this age too young for colleges or are they looking for gems before they are picked up at the 16U level. Seems some of the biggest tournaments in the state are 14u events and some of them have great Scout attendance. Anyone have any idea how many 14U girls actually verbally commit to play ball somewhere? I would have to think that at this age, Scouts are looking for the best of the best. !6U is probably most recruited and at 18U your time may have already passed. The 14U age bracket just seems to me to be prime picking?
 

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I was on goldfastpitch a couple weeks ago, and kinda shocked at what I saw. As far as I know there were no real major showcases at that time to showcase anything and the camps haven't really kicked into full force. What I saw was two 2020 verballing. Yes I know it happens early; but my thinking would be AFTER Halloween, not two-three weeks before. Of oucrse, I never really paid attention to 2018/19 classes either so I could easily be wrong.
 

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Demarini bandits just verbal 2 2019s and outlaws had a 2019 verbal as a 8th grader last year..
 

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Bigger question is what does that verbal really mean. Is there a solid money offer? How many of the 8th and 9th graders who verbal end up at that school and what is the actual finances they receive? If a coach verbals a kid then watches them get blown up for five runs in one inning does that change things? There are reasons the coaches still show up in higher numbers to watch 18s than 14s. It will certainly continue to happen that 14s are given verbals but look at 14u and 16u rosters and you will see it is not common.
 

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41 2019s listed on gold fastpitch and 2 2020...
6 from the bandits.... And Id bet many more after fall...
 
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Demarini bandits just verbal 2 2019s and outlaws had a 2019 verbal as a 8th grader last year..

Correct, but the Outlaws young lady was after the New Year, not before Halloween. In my opinion it means she's was being looked at as an 8th grader. My point is the two ladies that verballed in 2020 now essentially means they were being looked at in the summer between 7th and 8th grade. Those young ladies could have excelled at nationals only. To me, that's a major difference. I even checked with my dd's former pitching coach, and she agreed; before Halloween in the 8th grade is way too early.
 

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Don't really think October or January make that big of a difference... The bottom line its crazy to think that a kid has to make that decision at 13 or 14..
 

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Won't argue on that with the decision at 13/14, just think before Halloween is too early. Nothing really big happens between nationals and Labor Day. Then after Labor Day, colleges are working with their own teams. Maybe a week or two before Halloween it kicks back up until Thanksgiving.
 

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before Halloween in the 8th grade is way too early.

That just seems so early...after New Years would also get a player a full semester of 8th grade completed with grades. Don't know how grades would actually impact an 8th grader veballing??
 

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Verbals mean very little, trust me...it means the college coach is still looking......
 

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See how many actually go the school they verballed to........minds change over that short time.....
 

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Not a lot of recruiting at 14u, but it's a good time for players to start making contact with college coaches to start building a relationship. For the most part coaches are watching the 16u bracket.
 

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First off...I have to agree that verbaling in 8th & 9th grade is too young IMHO. With that being said the recruiting process has moved into the 14U age group and I as a travel coach pay due diligence an getting my players looks at 14U. We are developing relationships that is all.

Last year (2015) our first year at 14U, we had dozens of college coaches watch us multiple times throughout the Summer and into this Fall. As of this time, we have yet to have a player receive a written offer, but this Fall we have had a total of 5 different players who have taken or will take shortly an Unofficial Visit.

As far as "what does an offer & verbal mean"? If a college coach makes an offer to a prospect, that offer usually means that you are first on their Board for that position in that class. If said player/ family accepts said offer, then that recruit is no longer looking at other schools. A recruit usually is given a deadline to commit...typically 30 to 60 days from the initial offer. There are times when a deadline is extended...for example for a stud pitcher ect.

Once this verbal pact is made between college coach and player. The college coach will honor this verbal agreement at least 90% of the time. The player would have to do something drastic...such as have horrendous grades, attitude on social media or just completely stopped working on improving their game. In all my years coaching and going through the process I have seldom witnessed this happen to any player close to me.
 
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How does the financial end of a verbal agreement work for 8th grader ? Same as a HS jr ? are coaches telling a player a % ride they are offering ?
 

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Dan - yes, they are telling them a % offer. It is no different than a HS JR actually. They will tell them the % and whether it includes books, room, board,etc.
 

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I believe that paying for camps at the schools of choice and working out for a college coach is in my opinion the way to get noticed and yes at an early age, verbal's........doesn't mean much but someone is interested! As for playing in showcases I play to win the HOTTEST TEAM gets the looks that leads to other coaches paying attention! But to think that these coaches aren't eying up some 14 year olds your lying to yourself......THE SHARKS ARE SWIMMING!
 
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at 14u we had several highly touted players. 2 pitchers and 2 infielders, one of the infielders is my step DD. 3 were young HS freshman, the other an 8th grader. All had offers before Halloween. The other infielder in 8th grade is an anomaly in that she was super intense, of course talented, super aggressive in learning the ropes on recruiting and did a fabulous job ON HER own program. She actually set the "path" on how to get noticed IMO. All 4 players had multiple top shelf offers and all had verballed by End of January, most before Thanksgiving. My step DD verballed early for her dream school (not the biggest program) which had been determined as a 13 year old. She too is not normal in her thinking, approach, and wisdom about her choices. Will they change, oh, very well may and it's expected! That's why you choose a school with a big curriculum. We and she are ok with that. Is this for everyone..no-way Jose. Quite honestly, it's very young and very hard to deal with. My wife and I had to do some serious digging into our situation (personal, family, the player) and we came to a solid conclusion with the coaches helping us.. from all offering programs. This is the rarest of timing and situations and I'm sure it will be picked on for an eternity until the NCAA changes the program. Most kids just do not have the physical and mental wherewithal to do this. Parents could change on there own but you see how well that's going... but... like mandating game-face protection... until the rules change the rules haven't changed. Sorry... don't start fighting about face protection here. Hah. I'd join in on another thread though.

I'm pretty sure one of the most stressful times in your child's ball career is the recruiting phase. I will say that getting the process completed very early is a blessing. Now, showcasing never ends. My step DD's team has been to watch her more now and they ever did with her in the courting phase. 5 times before an offer... at least 10-15 since in 2 years. She's a junior now.

I tell you this for it comes from a very leveled headed and cautious by nature person. As fun as it would be to brag it has nothing to do with that. I state the facts of what I've seen and where the kids are today. So, where are they now... 1 at Michigan, 1 at Northwestern, 1 at Washington, and 1 at Missouri. Several had paired offers which was cool too but all chose their program over friendships. All are still bandits players but 1 and all have taken or been apart of teams to a top 10 PGF Premier finish or better and all 4 are from the Midwest. Fun fact for us Ohioans! All are still happy with their program choices (from what I know) and trust me these players had many offers that came in 2 months or less. The alarming thing is that this process was less than 6 months or less and it is lightening fast! That actually makes it worse! Again, you will hear me ride on the side of this is too early (7th and 8th graders, even freshman). Yes, I said it!

Financials are typically % discussions. Imagine... most haven't even taken their first ACT for they are coming out of 8th grade. We had to take our 8th grade transcripts. A good teammate will gladly accept less athletic $ once an ACT $ deal is available to help the entire roster re-shuffle the $'s.

My other step DD's 12u team had Karen Weekly there specifically there for her team's pitcher in Chattanooga this past summer. She camped out behind home plate and didn't miss 1 pitch! Karen thought she was 14 per yer reaction when she talked to coach afterwards for we were playing up. So, yeah, it happens very young. That particular player is wearing out camps and recruiting events so her name is out there.

Camps and personal marketing is the key to this program! Along with top shelf org's to get you deeper into the coaches zone of familiar situations.
 
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Very informative. So is it your opinion that Camps and personal marketing are the best tools or does the team you play on and the type(premier) of tournaments more important? All 3 factors are important and should be utilized, but are camps more successful vs tournaments?

at 14u we had several highly touted players. 2 pitchers and 2 infielders, one of the infielders is my step DD. 3 were young HS freshman, the other an 8th grader. All had offers before Halloween. The other infielder in 8th grade is an anomaly in that she was super intense, of course talented, super aggressive in learning the ropes on recruiting and did a fabulous job ON HER own program. She actually set the "path" on how to get noticed IMO. All 4 players had multiple top shelf offers and all had verballed by End of January, most before Thanksgiving. My step DD verballed early for her dream school (not the biggest program) which had been determined as a 13 year old. She too is not normal in her thinking, approach, and wisdom about her choices. Will they change, oh, very well may and it's expected! That's why you choose a school with a big curriculum. We and she are ok with that. Is this for everyone..no-way Jose. Quite honestly, it's very young and very hard to deal with. My wife and I had to do some serious digging into our situation (personal, family, the player) and we came to a solid conclusion with the coaches helping us.. from all offering programs. This is the rarest of timing and situations and I'm sure it will be picked on for an eternity until the NCAA changes the program. Most kids just do not have the physical and mental wherewithal to do this. Parents could change on there own but you see how well that's going... but... like mandating game-face protection... until the rules change the rules haven't changed. Sorry... don't start fighting about face protection here. Hah. I'd join in on another thread though.

I'm pretty sure one of the most stressful times in your child's ball career is the recruiting phase. I will say that getting the process completed very early is a blessing. Now, showcasing never ends. My step DD's team has been to watch her more now and they ever did with her in the courting phase. 5 times before an offer... at least 10-15 since in 2 years. She's a junior now.

I tell you this for it comes from a very leveled headed and cautious by nature person. As fun as it would be to brag it has nothing to do with that. I state the facts of what I've seen and where the kids are today. So, where are they now... 1 at Michigan, 1 at Northwestern, 1 at Washington, and 1 at Missouri. Several had paired offers which was cool too but all chose their program over friendships. All are still bandits players but 1 and all have taken or been apart of teams to a top 10 PGF Premier finish or better and all 4 are from the Midwest. Fun fact for us Ohioans! All are still happy with their program choices (from what I know) and trust me these players had many offers that came in 2 months or less. The alarming thing is that this process was less than 6 months or less and it is lightening fast! That actually makes it worse! Again, you will hear me ride on the side of this is too early (7th and 8th graders, even freshman). Yes, I said it!

Financials are typically % discussions. Imagine... most haven't even taken their first ACT for they are coming out of 8th grade. We had to take our 8th grade transcripts. A good teammate will gladly accept less athletic $ once an ACT $ deal is available to help the entire roster re-shuffle the $'s.

My other step DD's 12u team had Karen Weekly there specifically there for her team's pitcher in Chattanooga this past summer. She camped out behind home plate and didn't miss 1 pitch! Karen thought she was 14 per yer reaction when she talked to coach afterwards for we were playing up. So, yeah, it happens very young. That particular player is wearing out camps and recruiting events so here name is out there.

Camps and personal marketing is the key to this program! Along with top shelf org's to get you deeper into the coaches zone of familiar situations.
 

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Very informative. So is it your opinion that Camps and personal marketing are the best tools or does the team you play on and the type(premier) of tournaments more important? All 3 factors are important and should be utilized, but are camps more successful vs tournaments?

it's multi-faceted and not one solution is perfect (not trying to get out of answering your question)... the name on the front of the Jersey has it's privileges in who comes to watch in many cases on the ball fields. Big showcases (if you can get in), camps, Ondeck softball events (or similar), strong head coaches with relationships, and marketing all have place and time to lead the race. In a perfect setting they are equally important but when you need a tool from the tool box, you apply the correct tool and application for the moment. Consistent play from the player is also imperative along with strong to impressive hustle and personality. You'd be amazed that my step DD was wanted in the first 2 innings of their first viewing. It took several other fall events to answer 5 specific questions they have to answer and it has to be in person. She didn't attend a camp of their's for 1.5 years... so, it's all case by case.

The player and family have to own a huge percentage of the situation... once your org/team/coach layout a schedule the family has for the year, they must attend camps, email, call, and work with their head coach, recruiting liaison, and for themselves... which is like 50-60% of the deal.

You'll find some that will say camps are the only way and for others it's all about being seen at a tournament. Sometimes picked up while a pitcher is being looked at and a good game was played. Its so open to many things.

Does this help?
 
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Les ... lots of great info ... it always helps to have someone who speaks from experience and with honesty ... thanks!!
 

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