ASA Tournament ASA background/certifications?

[default]

SoCal

Very good post. Make sense to me.

 

[default]

I think it is extremely important for all coaches and any parent helping the team to have a background check! Every sanctioning body should enforce it and parents should demand it. Things happen and everyone believes it will not happen to their child. Come on people, safety first, our children are worth it!

And there you go, I agree softballmom 100%. I am a coach both rec and travel but I have been on the other side of the fence myself and that's why our rec program has coaches become ACE certified.

 

[default]

I concur. Two huge points: 1. high school coaches are FBI fingerprint back ground checked 2. ACE credit card check is not nearly as accurate. There should be a mechanism to waive some of these requirements, if they really were just worried about having qualified people in place.

I am not against the background check, I know different leauges use different methods.
NYSCA, highschool Ohsaa,...... If you already are going thru these programs and have gone thru an FBI check, nothing worse than being fingerprinted for school when u have done nothing wrong, but we do it every other year. why go thru another,what is the real reason ASA wants u to do it again.

For those that are not certified go get em and verify, why is there not just 1 general accepted practice.

 

[default]

Just throwing it out here.......If you have your Concealed Carry License you have passed the FBI and all other Federal and State checks that are far deeper than anything ASA could provide.

So..Shouldn't your CCW be worth something ? If not, this is again more proof of a money grab by ASA.

Am I wrong here ??

I agree with background checks, but when you have an A rating already, why would you pay for a D rating???


JMHO

 

[default]

It seems like some of the people bashing this system host tournaments of another sanctioning body ;&

 

[default]

I also agree (again) with background checks. I do have a question; I just went through the ACE test and registering the team and background check. The web site to me was hard to navigate. But when I was all done and clicked on submit and invoice I got a $217.00 bill!!! $18 per player; I'm lost; did I do something wrong, any advice from someone who has been through all of it? By the way Merry Christmas

 

[default]

Ok 1 statement and a question. Not everybody who coaches has gone through a background check before coaching, especially those at the rec. Ball level. Less high school coaches in rec ball.

Is there an organization that maintains on record everybodies background checks on record. So if Soft was coaching in my organization can I call the FBI, homeland security etc. To find the results on his background check, if I wasn't the one that initiated the check? How often do high school coaches go through the background check?

 

[default]

ASA background check and Ace Certification is not new this year....I know for a fact I have paid for ASA background check for at least the last four years. Ace certification was a requirement but only enforced if your team won a national berth. This has been an ASA fee for several years....just being enforced this year by ASA to participate in a ASA sanctioned tournament. Remember put the safety and health/well being of your girls first, I believe it is well worth it.

 

[default]

All the discussions about this being a money grab has no bearing on the issue of the checks--most seem to agree that checks are worthwhile. It all comes down to the fact that if you want to play ASA, then you gotta do it.

What I wonder is how many "bad' people does the process identify. I would think it would pick up a past offender but does it predict who might have a problem in the future? Living here in the Dayton area, I have seen recent examples where high school coaches, band directors, etc have gone astray and just in the past few days the Greene County Treasurer was convicted on ethics charges. With no previous record, all these would have passed a background check with no problems.

Having everyone do a background check is indicative of our times and is just like the thinking of the Federal Government--when 1 person does something wrong, then the 9,999 others who are doing it right have to put up with more restrictions.

 

[default]

Marketing 101...

It isn't marketing, Lester...LOL..

I just seem to get under these ASA people's hair when I talk truth to the OFC people and Martin wants to throw his own "spin" on it all to save face with ASA.

Yea, it would be great to be able as a TD to pick and choose your umpires for an event. Obviously, if you aren't a District Commissioner.. you don't get that choice.. and being forced to use the local ASA scheduler... no matter how bad that scheduler's umpires are.

Being an umpire, I have come across some very good umpires that like to work for me.. because they like the idea of working with other good umpires as there is a lot less chance of a coach coming to "their" field complaining about terrible umpires on the other field they just played on.

Umpires make or break an event and there are many TD's out here that have concern for what is being sent to them.. which I don't really blame them at all. I've always had that concern myself as a TD.

Just Martin made it easier when he said he picked his own umpires and I must have upset him when I said the other TD's of this state would LOVE to have that same opportunity.

Ok... opinions... statements... verbiage... quotes... input... imagery...comments... replies... content.... all add up to what people view of others. I'm just saying... IF I were a TD, or an umpire, or a person recruiting for my events I surely wouldn't air every opinion I have on every subject. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of thoughts about many subjects, many of which I'M not an expert in (as many on OFC are :lmao but would fight like I am....but I sure as heck wouldn't be on here opening myself up for an all out "debate " all the time. To me... MARKETING 101 is comprised of value/perception/features/benefits of an event and these all add up to a what perception people build over time and will ultimately drive decision making... especially in this lil' micro-"market" of a sport we call fastpitch. OFC is addictive and can easily rope people in or give people a soap box to stand upon. Good luck with YOUR view... it's YOURS and I'm not here to say its wrong... plenty others can do that if they choose.

I don't need a PM to discuss this further... that's my 2 cents and can I get an "AMEN" from a brotha' on this!?

Sorry for the delayed response... I took a couple day vacation from OFC. Had to get rejuvenated...:cap:

 

[default]

Had to get rejuvenated...:cap:

I'd say it worked ! :lmao::lmao::lmao:

 

[default]

not often I get "what I'll call a compliment" from the gopher...

 

[default]

What I wonder is how many "bad' people does the process identify. I would think it would pick up a past offender but does it predict who might have a problem in the future?

It only identifies the dumb ones! :lmao:

Seriously, the effectiveness of background checks is the number of "bad' people it discourages from applying rather than how many it catches. It's a deterrent like locking your front door instead of leaving it wide open.

 

[default]

Ok... opinions... statements... verbiage... quotes... input... imagery...comments... replies... content.... all add up to what people view of others. I'm just saying... IF I were a TD, or an umpire, or a person recruiting for my events I surely wouldn't air every opinion I have on every subject. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of thoughts about many subjects, many of which I'M not an expert in (as many on OFC are :lmao but would fight like I am....but I sure as heck wouldn't be on here opening myself up for an all out "debate " all the time. To me... MARKETING 101 is comprised of value/perception/features/benefits of an event and these all add up to a what perception people build over time and will ultimately drive decision making... especially in this lil' micro-"market" of a sport we call fastpitch. OFC is addictive and can easily rope people in or give people a soap box to stand upon. Good luck with YOUR view... it's YOURS and I'm not here to say its wrong... plenty others can do that if they choose.

I don't need a PM to discuss this further... that's my 2 cents and can I get an "AMEN" from a brotha' on this!?

Sorry for the delayed response... I took a couple day vacation from OFC. Had to get rejuvenated...:cap:

Amen my brotha'!!!!! :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

 

[default]

Ok 1 statement and a question. Not everybody who coaches has gone through a background check before coaching, especially those at the rec. Ball level. Less high school coaches in rec ball.

Is there an organization that maintains on record everybodies background checks on record. So if Soft was coaching in my organization can I call the FBI, homeland security etc. To find the results on his background check, if I wasn't the one that initiated the check? How often do high school coaches go through the background check?

I get fingerprinted and put out $50 every other year and so do any of my assistants and volunteer assistants before I hire them or let them work with the kids. as far as you seeing my records I have NO idea if you could get access to those records, I would not have any idea. Give my A.D. a call and he could answer that question.
I personnally have nothing to hide.

 

[default]

I get fingerprinted and put out $50 every other year and so do any of my assistants and volunteer assistants before I hire them or let them work with the kids. as far as you seeing my records I have NO idea if you could get access to those records, I would not have any idea. Give my A.D. a call and he could answer that question.
I personnally have nothing to hide.

:lmao:

That's a funny response.

Sorry if you thought I was questioning your background, I wasnt lol, I was asking if the background checks schools use are in a data base someplace, making an ACE certification irrelvant. It had nothing to do with your background, just using you as an example.

I'm going to let this dead horse rest.

 

[default]

All the discussions about this being a money grab has no bearing on the issue of the checks--most seem to agree that checks are worthwhile. It all comes down to the fact that if you want to play ASA, then you gotta do it.

What I wonder is how many "bad' people does the process identify. I would think it would pick up a past offender but does it predict who might have a problem in the future? Living here in the Dayton area, I have seen recent examples where high school coaches, band directors, etc have gone astray and just in the past few days the Greene County Treasurer was convicted on ethics charges. With no previous record, all these would have passed a background check with no problems.

Having everyone do a background check is indicative of our times and is just like the thinking of the Federal Government--when 1 person does something wrong, then the 9,999 others who are doing it right have to put up with more restrictions.

Exactly, to the whole post. If having coaches do a background check makes everyone feel much safer, then feel free, but all it does is ensure the coaches do not have a criminal record for certain things. As Tour Dir stated, how many people have been weeded out this way? Maybe a few nationwide, but probably not many. The only sure way to avoid problems with coaches or teachers is to get rid of youth sports and schools.

 

[default]

Amen to Joe!

It's all just a feel good exercise with nearly zero benefit IMHO. Unless you happen to run one of these background check companies or anyone else who may be getting a cut from those small, minor fees.

Yes, my vote is money grab! Security benefit? Negligible.

 

[default]

in talking to a law enforcement agent " credit card generated back ground checks, are very inaccurate" that is one of my problem with the "ACE" certification. IF ASA suffers financially, they'll adjust it next year. I'm going to do my best, and other coaches I know have said also, they are going to boycot ASA local tournaments this year. I know it probably won't make a difference, but will make me feel better! Coaching in the city league years back, required you to ATTEND, not take online, a very nice program that actually did bring up some good points to consider. I am all for education and back ground checks, I am NOT for an organization profitting from it, period.

 

[default]

Ok... opinions... statements... verbiage... quotes... input... imagery...comments... replies... content.... all add up to what people view of others. I'm just saying... IF I were a TD, or an umpire, or a person recruiting for my events I surely wouldn't air every opinion I have on every subject. Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of thoughts about many subjects, many of which I'M not an expert in (as many on OFC are :lmao but would fight like I am....but I sure as heck wouldn't be on here opening myself up for an all out "debate " all the time. To me... MARKETING 101 is comprised of value/perception/features/benefits of an event and these all add up to a what perception people build over time and will ultimately drive decision making... especially in this lil' micro-"market" of a sport we call fastpitch. OFC is addictive and can easily rope people in or give people a soap box to stand upon. Good luck with YOUR view... it's YOURS and I'm not here to say its wrong... plenty others can do that if they choose.

I don't need a PM to discuss this further... that's my 2 cents and can I get an "AMEN" from a brotha' on this!?

Sorry for the delayed response... I took a couple day vacation from OFC. Had to get rejuvenated...:cap:

In the other thread " ASA Berths" you are GLAD for the open discussion on it. In this thread, you complain when I bring the subject up for discussion...LOL :lmao: