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Re: Bat rolling, and shaving. Really???
Here is a cached copy of the FB post from Google -Had it advertised on their FB page until this post popped up on OFC, suddenly that post is gone.
Bat rolling is illegal in all play for USSSA,ASA and NSA mens womens youth You should really do your homework!As one of the owners of Field of Dreams it is my pleasure to explain. Yes, it is true that Field of Dreams was advertising bat rolling services. Slow pitch softball is very big in Central Ohio and there is a huge market for those services.
In light of all the controversy that has been created, we have asked our web designer to remove the advertisement for rolling services from our website. In fact, the machine has been removed from the premises. We don't want any negative press about this.
Owning a rolling machine is not illegal. Rolling a bat is not illegal. For a rolled bat to be used in a game in which it is specifically banned, ie. ASA, NSA (basically all youth Fastpitch) it IS illegal and that responsibility rests upon the owner of that bat. Nevertheless, the owners of FOD decided that for the sake of safety of children that we would not roll any youth bats. Don't point fingers at FOD...this service is the same thing as the companies who manufacture guns. It is up to the owner of the gun to ensure its legal use, not the manufacturer.
Now, let me make this point very clear...Field of Dreams' business is Field of Dreams business. We will not discuss the names of any customers, the makes or models of any bats that were or were not rolled. I repeat, we will not even answer the questions so don't ask. This is not admitting any wrong-doing...it simply is not anybody's business but ours.
If anyone suspects that a particular bat had been altered, there are protest procedures in place according to each sanctioning body and you are encouraged to use them. I am also the head coach of Ohio Glory '01 and I am saying this publicly on OFC right now...none of our bats have been altered. I also know that none of my parents have sent their bats away to one of the internet bat rollers either. I don't have any parents like that. I have made this point VERY clear to Mike Craig, the State Director for NSA, to the tourney director at this weekend's tournament as well as the UIC for this weekend's tournament. Furthermore I welcome them to inspect every single bat.
I will not allow anyone to cast any negative light over this team, over the players, or the entire Ohio Glory organization.
Parents...your children are 100% safe playing against my team. We do not have any altered bats.
Do not spread any rumors about something of which you do not know or have proof please.
Now, let's watch the girls play the game they love.
Now that somebody else posted the link to our website, it isn't me who hijacked the thread to try to promote Field of Dreams! Free hijack.
Chris Zaker
Ohio Glory '01
Co-Owner, Field of Dreams Practice Facility
Here's the thing, there are new FP parents, who are not as versed in the rules of the sanctioning bodies as some of those posting here, that potentially saw the advertisement and believing the assertion rolling is completely 'legal' had their daughter's bat rolled. Did you inform FP parents that this was, in fact, considered altering? How many new FP parents now have a $300 that is 'illegal' for sanctioned play and never realized what they were doing to that very expensive piece of equipment?
Bat rolling is illegal in all play for USSSA,ASA and NSA mens womens youth You should really do your homework!
ASA
Rule 3 Equipment
"We have had several questions pertaining to bats and what is legally permissible to do to a bat. One item that appears to keep coming up is the rolling of bats for quicker break in of the fibers. There are those who maintain that rolling of one's bat is perfectly legal. According to Rule 3 Section 7 NOTE: ‘The characteristics of any approved equipment can not be changed. Examples'. Therefore, according to our rules, rolling of one's bat is illegal and would make that bat an altered bat according to Rule 1 Altered Bat: When the physical structure of a legal softball bat has been changed".
USSSA
"Altered Bats - Excessive Pressure
Included in the USSSA view of what is an altered or doctored bat are any bats that are subjected to pressure
in any manner that exceeds that of striking the bat against an approved ball traveling at game like speeds.
Such excess pressure would include, but is not limited to, any compression, rolling, placing in a vice,
hitting a stationary object such as a pole, etc".
NSA
"An altered bat is considered altered when the physical structure of the legal bat has been changed in any way, or when an illegal or non approved bat has been made up in such a way as to appear to be a legal bat. Examples of altering a bat are, but not limited to the following: Painting a bat, replacing the handle or shaving the handle or barrel or the taper changed in any way. Such as by sandpapering or applying a solvent to the surface such as fingernail polish remover or by any other means. Removing or replacing the plug or changed in any way other than factory repairs. Had the knob removed/ replaced or changed in any way or had anything removed or added to the inside or outside of the bat other than the legal way to tape the bat the specified and appropriate place as described in the NSA Rule Book". There is nothing specific about rolling but some could see this as a way to say it is illegal.
As one of the owners of Field of Dreams it is my pleasure to explain. Yes, it is true that Field of Dreams was advertising bat rolling services. Slow pitch softball is very big in Central Ohio and there is a huge market for those services.
In light of all the controversy that has been created, we have asked our web designer to remove the advertisement for rolling services from our website. In fact, the machine has been removed from the premises. We don't want any negative press about this.
Owning a rolling machine is not illegal. Rolling a bat is not illegal. For a rolled bat to be used in a game in which it is specifically banned, ie. ASA, NSA (basically all youth Fastpitch) it IS illegal and that responsibility rests upon the owner of that bat. Nevertheless, the owners of FOD decided that for the sake of safety of children that we would not roll any youth bats. Don't point fingers at FOD...this service is the same thing as the companies who manufacture guns. It is up to the owner of the gun to ensure its legal use, not the manufacturer.
Now, let me make this point very clear...Field of Dreams' business is Field of Dreams business. We will not discuss the names of any customers, the makes or models of any bats that were or were not rolled. I repeat, we will not even answer the questions so don't ask. This is not admitting any wrong-doing...it simply is not anybody's business but ours.
If anyone suspects that a particular bat had been altered, there are protest procedures in place according to each sanctioning body and you are encouraged to use them. I am also the head coach of Ohio Glory '01 and I am saying this publicly on OFC right now...none of our bats have been altered. I also know that none of my parents have sent their bats away to one of the internet bat rollers either. I don't have any parents like that. I have made this point VERY clear to Mike Craig, the State Director for NSA, to the tourney director at this weekend's tournament as well as the UIC for this weekend's tournament. Furthermore I welcome them to inspect every single bat.
I will not allow anyone to cast any negative light over this team, over the players, or the entire Ohio Glory organization.
Parents...your children are 100% safe playing against my team. We do not have any altered bats.
Do not spread any rumors about something of which you do not know or have proof please.
Now, let's watch the girls play the game they love.
Now that somebody else posted the link to our website, it isn't me who hijacked the thread to try to promote Field of Dreams! Free hijack.
Chris Zaker
Ohio Glory '01
Co-Owner, Field of Dreams Practice Facility
Your motto for Field of Dreams should be " If we roll it, they will come" :lmao:As one of the owners of Field of Dreams it is my pleasure to explain. Yes, it is true that Field of Dreams was advertising bat rolling services. Slow pitch softball is very big in Central Ohio and there is a huge market for those services.
In light of all the controversy that has been created, we have asked our web designer to remove the advertisement for rolling services from our website. In fact, the machine has been removed from the premises. We don't want any negative press about this.
Owning a rolling machine is not illegal. Rolling a bat is not illegal. For a rolled bat to be used in a game in which it is specifically banned, ie. ASA, NSA (basically all youth Fastpitch) it IS illegal and that responsibility rests upon the owner of that bat. Nevertheless, the owners of FOD decided that for the sake of safety of children that we would not roll any youth bats. Don't point fingers at FOD...this service is the same thing as the companies who manufacture guns. It is up to the owner of the gun to ensure its legal use, not the manufacturer.
Now, let me make this point very clear...Field of Dreams' business is Field of Dreams business. We will not discuss the names of any customers, the makes or models of any bats that were or were not rolled. I repeat, we will not even answer the questions so don't ask. This is not admitting any wrong-doing...it simply is not anybody's business but ours.
If anyone suspects that a particular bat had been altered, there are protest procedures in place according to each sanctioning body and you are encouraged to use them. I am also the head coach of Ohio Glory '01 and I am saying this publicly on OFC right now...none of our bats have been altered. I also know that none of my parents have sent their bats away to one of the internet bat rollers either. I don't have any parents like that. I have made this point VERY clear to Mike Craig, the State Director for NSA, to the tourney director at this weekend's tournament as well as the UIC for this weekend's tournament. Furthermore I welcome them to inspect every single bat.
I will not allow anyone to cast any negative light over this team, over the players, or the entire Ohio Glory organization.
Parents...your children are 100% safe playing against my team. We do not have any altered bats.
Do not spread any rumors about something of which you do not know or have proof please.
Now, let's watch the girls play the game they love.
Now that somebody else posted the link to our website, it isn't me who hijacked the thread to try to promote Field of Dreams! Free hijack.
Chris Zaker
Ohio Glory '01
Co-Owner, Field of Dreams Practice Facility
Bat Alteration Prohibited |
Miken does not approve of or authorize the purchaser or any other person to physically alter the bat in any manner for use in any game under the jurisdiction or sponsorship of an association or organization that has set standards for the performance of bats. Alteration includes but is not limited to bat doctoring, vicing, rolling, hitting objects other than approved balls, and any other action that is designed to change the character or performance attributes of the bat in any manner. Any alteration of the bat will nullify Miken's limited warranty. Furthermore, should injuries or other damages occur as a result of any use of an altered bat, the person who altered the bat, along with the player who knowingly used the altered bat, may be held liable for such injuries or damage. |
Beat me to it...I don't get the comment, because, basically - rolling a bat is illegal to be used in most if not all softball sanctioning bodies regardless of level.
Now I agree that shaving a bat is much more of a serious offense, but rolling is still illegal to those sanctioning bodies (ASA/NSA/USSSA - Youth & Adult).
Regardless of the comments, the business decision to offer that service sheds a negative light and to many people who don't know you personally will cast doubt.
People could try. But, you actually did it to yourself, team and organization by your “business decision”.I will not allow anyone to cast any negative light over this team, over the players, or the entire Ohio Glory organization.