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What if your daughter (what's DD stand for?) plays on a travel team. and the traveling team coach took a coaching job the same high school that the daughter goes to. can he coach her in both h.s. and travelball?
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DD stands for your darling daughter 
Can't help you on the coach thing dd is still in middle school.
Can't help you on the coach thing dd is still in middle school.
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Little Omar he can coach your DD on both of the teams as long as the summer team doesn't have more than 4 high school players on it. I am sure some one can post the rule on this one. Good luck!
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See the Ohio By-Laws below. There is a limitation as to the number of days....
From the OHSAA By-laws, Chapter 10.
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10-3-6 In non-interscholastic participation (contests, tryouts, training and practices) in team sports, members of the school?s interscholastic coaching staff may coach interscholastic squad members from the school district where employed for a maximum of 10 days from June 1 to July 31. The 10-day limitation applies to the entire coaching staff. Each individual coach is not entitled to 10 different days for coaching.
NOTE: The Board of Control may further limit the number of contact days during this period as specified in the specific sports regulations.
EXCEPTION 1: The paid or unpaid interscholastic coach employed by a Board of Education or other governing board may coach interscholastic squad members from the school district where the coach is employed as coach without limitation from June 1 through July 31 if the 50% limitation is observed. The 50% limitation is defined as a maximum of 50% of the members of a team as defined in the playing rules of the sport. The following chart indicates those limitations for OHSAA recognized team sports.
50% Limitation on Sport number of squad members
Baseball 4
Basketball 2
Field Hockey 5
Football 5
Ice Hockey 3
Soccer 5
Softball 4
Volleyball 3
EXCEPTION 2: If the 50% limitation is observed, an interscholastic coach may continue participation with a non-interscholastic squad in a national qualifying tournament after July 31 until the squad is eliminated from the national qualifying tournament but no later than Labor Day.
From the OHSAA By-laws, Chapter 10.
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10-3-6 In non-interscholastic participation (contests, tryouts, training and practices) in team sports, members of the school?s interscholastic coaching staff may coach interscholastic squad members from the school district where employed for a maximum of 10 days from June 1 to July 31. The 10-day limitation applies to the entire coaching staff. Each individual coach is not entitled to 10 different days for coaching.
NOTE: The Board of Control may further limit the number of contact days during this period as specified in the specific sports regulations.
EXCEPTION 1: The paid or unpaid interscholastic coach employed by a Board of Education or other governing board may coach interscholastic squad members from the school district where the coach is employed as coach without limitation from June 1 through July 31 if the 50% limitation is observed. The 50% limitation is defined as a maximum of 50% of the members of a team as defined in the playing rules of the sport. The following chart indicates those limitations for OHSAA recognized team sports.
50% Limitation on Sport number of squad members
Baseball 4
Basketball 2
Field Hockey 5
Football 5
Ice Hockey 3
Soccer 5
Softball 4
Volleyball 3
EXCEPTION 2: If the 50% limitation is observed, an interscholastic coach may continue participation with a non-interscholastic squad in a national qualifying tournament after July 31 until the squad is eliminated from the national qualifying tournament but no later than Labor Day.
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Bear, I move we have a stock answer copied somewhere for the multiple times that this issue comes up.
If the travel team has four or fewer girls from your DD's high school team (and, if your middle school team is sanctioned by the OSHAA, they need to be counted as well), the HS coach can coach the travel team without limitation from June through July 31, with an exception that allows coaching of teams playing in August national tournaments. If there are more than four girls on the team, the HS coach AND any other softball coaches from the HS are limited to an aggregate of 10 contact days during that same period. The HS coach cannot coach the travel team during any other period, including indoor, if even just one of his HS girls is on the team.
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I see Jamie beat me to the punch, but I'll leave my plain English version up in case it helps.
If the travel team has four or fewer girls from your DD's high school team (and, if your middle school team is sanctioned by the OSHAA, they need to be counted as well), the HS coach can coach the travel team without limitation from June through July 31, with an exception that allows coaching of teams playing in August national tournaments. If there are more than four girls on the team, the HS coach AND any other softball coaches from the HS are limited to an aggregate of 10 contact days during that same period. The HS coach cannot coach the travel team during any other period, including indoor, if even just one of his HS girls is on the team.
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I see Jamie beat me to the punch, but I'll leave my plain English version up in case it helps.
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thank you all.
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How could the OHSAA enforce the limits on players since travel teams are not under their authority and do not report to them in any way?
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cgs,
I thought that middle school players did not count as high school players until they were playing in high school. Is it possible that your "plain English" version has a flaw or do I not understand the "complex English" version?
I thought that middle school players did not count as high school players until they were playing in high school. Is it possible that your "plain English" version has a flaw or do I not understand the "complex English" version?
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Rdsherman:
Check out the language above from the actual rule. It talks about girls who play interscholastic ball from the same school DISTRICT. So if you have girls on a 14U team who are playing up and they've been playing middle school sanctioned ball, you need to count them as well as the HS girls. You are right that if the young lady hasn't played sanctioned middle school ball, she doesn't need to be counted.
Does that clear things up?
Check out the language above from the actual rule. It talks about girls who play interscholastic ball from the same school DISTRICT. So if you have girls on a 14U team who are playing up and they've been playing middle school sanctioned ball, you need to count them as well as the HS girls. You are right that if the young lady hasn't played sanctioned middle school ball, she doesn't need to be counted.
Does that clear things up?
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The one post above states - " the HS coach can coach the travel team without limitation from June through July 31, with an exception that allows coaching of teams playing in August national tournaments."
I could be wrong (usually am), but I'm not so sure that it matters whether or not there are 4 or more girls on the team, during the 6/1 - 7/31 time period, as far as whether or not the HS coach can coach a travel team of girls from the same school. ?I think the piece of the bylaws below says that the HS coach can only work with kids from his school for 10 days during that period. ?
10-3-6 In non-interscholastic participation (contests, tryouts, training and practices) in team sports,members of the school?s interscholastic coaching staff may coach interscholastic squad members from the school district where employed for a maximum of 10 days from June 1 to July 31. The 10-day limitation applies to the entire coaching staff. Each individual coach
is not entitled to 10 different days for coaching.
I'm not the brightest bulb in the lamp, so I could be off base here. ?
I could be wrong (usually am), but I'm not so sure that it matters whether or not there are 4 or more girls on the team, during the 6/1 - 7/31 time period, as far as whether or not the HS coach can coach a travel team of girls from the same school. ?I think the piece of the bylaws below says that the HS coach can only work with kids from his school for 10 days during that period. ?
10-3-6 In non-interscholastic participation (contests, tryouts, training and practices) in team sports,members of the school?s interscholastic coaching staff may coach interscholastic squad members from the school district where employed for a maximum of 10 days from June 1 to July 31. The 10-day limitation applies to the entire coaching staff. Each individual coach
is not entitled to 10 different days for coaching.
I'm not the brightest bulb in the lamp, so I could be off base here. ?
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I'll try my "English Version" to try and clear up a few questions.
HockeyBuckeye...You are correct, that OHSAA has no jurisdiction over travel teams, but they do when it come to girls that have started their HS elgibility. ?If you have started your HS elgibility, and you play on a travel team, you are only allowed 4 players on a team outside the 6/1-7/31 time frame. ?Within that time frame 6/1-7/31, any number of girls from the same HS can be on that team. ?If the OHSAA finds that you are not in accordance to these regulations, that girls HS elgibility could be taken, and she would not be allowed to participate in that HS sport.
TJC...... To clear up your post. ?A HS coach, and his board approved staff, are allowed 10 days of contact, this includes practice, games or instruction, collectively, between the 6/1-7/31, if they have more than 4 girls from the same school. ?If they have less than 4 girls, they are allowed unlimited time between the 6/1-7/31 time frame. ?Her is the bylaw that covers this:
EXCEPTION 1: The paid or unpaid interscholastic coach employed by a Board of Education or other governing board may coach interscholastic squad members from the school district where the coach is employed as coach without limitation from June 1 through July 31 if the 50% limitation is observed. The 50% limitation is defined as a maximum of 50% of the members of a team as defined in the playing rules of the sport. The following chart indicates those limitations for OHSAA recognized team sports.
RDsherman......Middle school girls will not count toward the 50% as long as they are not playing on a OHSAA sanctioned middle school team. ?Another words, if the middle school team is not playing under the OHSAA guidelines, they are not under the 50% guideline mandated by OHSAA. ?If they are playing on a OHSAA sanctioned team, they would count toward the 50%, and could face inelgibility, if they don't follow the 50% rule.
Hope this helps.
HockeyBuckeye...You are correct, that OHSAA has no jurisdiction over travel teams, but they do when it come to girls that have started their HS elgibility. ?If you have started your HS elgibility, and you play on a travel team, you are only allowed 4 players on a team outside the 6/1-7/31 time frame. ?Within that time frame 6/1-7/31, any number of girls from the same HS can be on that team. ?If the OHSAA finds that you are not in accordance to these regulations, that girls HS elgibility could be taken, and she would not be allowed to participate in that HS sport.
TJC...... To clear up your post. ?A HS coach, and his board approved staff, are allowed 10 days of contact, this includes practice, games or instruction, collectively, between the 6/1-7/31, if they have more than 4 girls from the same school. ?If they have less than 4 girls, they are allowed unlimited time between the 6/1-7/31 time frame. ?Her is the bylaw that covers this:
EXCEPTION 1: The paid or unpaid interscholastic coach employed by a Board of Education or other governing board may coach interscholastic squad members from the school district where the coach is employed as coach without limitation from June 1 through July 31 if the 50% limitation is observed. The 50% limitation is defined as a maximum of 50% of the members of a team as defined in the playing rules of the sport. The following chart indicates those limitations for OHSAA recognized team sports.
RDsherman......Middle school girls will not count toward the 50% as long as they are not playing on a OHSAA sanctioned middle school team. ?Another words, if the middle school team is not playing under the OHSAA guidelines, they are not under the 50% guideline mandated by OHSAA. ?If they are playing on a OHSAA sanctioned team, they would count toward the 50%, and could face inelgibility, if they don't follow the 50% rule.
Hope this helps.
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The 10 days applies if the coach's summer team has 4 or more girls or if the coach is instructing girls not on the summer team. Thus if the summer team has 4 or fewer girls from the same school, the coach can coach them without limitation June 1 - July 31.TJC said:
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Okay for the powers that know. . . Middle School Situation
Assistant Coach - non paid parent assistant - takes a group of girls (6) from the MS teams (7th and 8th grade) and plays summer and fall ball with them. ?We are an OHSAA sanctioned middle school team. ?
Desperately hoping that the coach has not broken any rules??? :-? ?
Assistant Coach - non paid parent assistant - takes a group of girls (6) from the MS teams (7th and 8th grade) and plays summer and fall ball with them. ?We are an OHSAA sanctioned middle school team. ?
Desperately hoping that the coach has not broken any rules??? :-? ?
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Summer doesn't matter with Parent coach, but fall would be an issue if more than 4 girls even with a parent coach. Indoors wouldn't matter in fall /winter as it's not recognized. But outdoor could be an infraction.
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The biggest question that needs answered first.... Is the non paid parent assistant Board approved? If they have been approved by the Board of Education to coach MS or HS softball, paid or unpaid, they are in violation if they are coaching after 7/31, it doesn't matter if its indoors or outdoors, or how many girls are on the team. If they have not been approved by the Board, then they would not be recognized as a coach, and no violations would have been commited.
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Lady Knights - THANK YOU so much for the information. This parent coach is not board approved just a willing participant when help was needed. Multiple sets of parents have just breathed a sigh of relief.
I greatly appreciate your insight and taking the time to answer my question.
Mad Scientist
I greatly appreciate your insight and taking the time to answer my question.
Mad Scientist
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Mad Scientist.... I used to be one of those parent coaches, that went out of my way to help, and that is how I gained experience, leading me to become a current HS coach.
What I didn't understand, when I became the HS coach, was how little time I was allowed to actually spend with the girls teaching them. ?Outside of the Spring season, HS coaches are allowed little, if any, contact with their HS players. ?Us HS coaches are very dependent on travel coaches and parents to teach our HS girls what we need for them to become better players. ?WORD TO THE WISE....If you enjoy coaching, do it outside of the jurisdiction of OHSAA. ?Your hands are tied, and you become more of a manager, trying to direct your girls toward people (other coaches, travel teams...) and events (indoor softball, camps...etc.) so they are getting the instruction that they want and need. ?
What kills me the most, are the girls that can't afford these other means of improvement, so they do nothing, waiting till spring to work with me, and seeing their frustration at being so far behind everyone else!! ?Thanks to all those parent coaches, and remember STAY THAT WAY!!
What I didn't understand, when I became the HS coach, was how little time I was allowed to actually spend with the girls teaching them. ?Outside of the Spring season, HS coaches are allowed little, if any, contact with their HS players. ?Us HS coaches are very dependent on travel coaches and parents to teach our HS girls what we need for them to become better players. ?WORD TO THE WISE....If you enjoy coaching, do it outside of the jurisdiction of OHSAA. ?Your hands are tied, and you become more of a manager, trying to direct your girls toward people (other coaches, travel teams...) and events (indoor softball, camps...etc.) so they are getting the instruction that they want and need. ?
What kills me the most, are the girls that can't afford these other means of improvement, so they do nothing, waiting till spring to work with me, and seeing their frustration at being so far behind everyone else!! ?Thanks to all those parent coaches, and remember STAY THAT WAY!!
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LADY_KNIGHTS and cgs:
Thanks for the clarification and information. I am getting closer to understanding this rule. Maybe you should apply for jobs with the OHSAA. Often their clarification is more confusing than the rule.
Thanks for the clarification and information. I am getting closer to understanding this rule. Maybe you should apply for jobs with the OHSAA. Often their clarification is more confusing than the rule.
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Mad, you would still have an issue with more than four with any coach for outside Fall ball if you are a sanctioned school. Your best bet is just take no more than four from a school and you are safe. 7th or 8th Grade does not matter, school does.
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Out of curosity - who polices these rules?
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