Is it an out, or is the ball in play

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I am find my self without a USSSA rule book.
Batter bunts the ball, drops the bat, the bat is in fair territory, the ball rolls into the bat.
Is she out?
I think the ball is live and in play.
Ump called the batter out.
Who is correct, any one with a rule book?

 

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Pretty sure its a fair ball.
But what do I know, had dd called out on 2 strikes?!

 

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Fair ball.

 

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It is a fair ball.

If the bat is on the ground and the ball rolls into it it is fair. If the ball is on the ground and the bat is dropped on the ball - out. The problem is many umpires are lazy and do not study their rule book or case book.

I umpire and there are at least one call per weekend that a coach questions. The conversation is the past 5 umpires never called that. My answer- "The past 5 umpires did not know the rule. That does not make my call incorect"

 

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I believe the batters out.

 

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To quote Bretman:

"Did the ball roll into bat or did the bat hit the ball?" If the ball rolls into the bat that is already there, it is a live ball. If the bat hits the ball, it is a dead ball, out.

 

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That's what I thought. Isn't it something like once the bat is not moving it becomes part of the field - like a clump of dirt - and if the ball hits it then it is the same as hitting a clump of dirt?

 

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The bat was on the ground, the batter/runner was past the bat, and the ball, the ball rolled into the bat.
I think the only way she is out....if she drops the bat on the ball, to stop the ball.

BlueDevilDad are umps required to take class each year to keep up on the rules? ?

I had one ump tell me that if the ball hit the top of the dugout or the fence in front of the dug out and goes back fair, it is a live ball, he said they played high school ball that way, I said we played that way in the back yard as a kid, you can catch the ball off a house or roof, but never in travel ball. ?:-/

 

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The bat was on the ground, the batter/runner was past the bat, and the ball, the ball rolled into the bat.
I think the only way she is out....if she drops the bat on the ball, to stop the ball.

BlueDevilDad are umps required to take class each year to keep up on the rules? ?

I had one ump tell me that if the ball hit the top of the dugout or the fence in front of the dug out and goes back fair, it is a live ball, he said they played high school ball that way, I said we played that way in the back yard as a kid, you can catch the ball off a house or roof, but never in travel ball. ?:-/

BlueDevilDad are umps required to take class each year to keep up on the rules? NO


I had one ump tell me that if the ball hit the top of the dugout or the fence in front of the dug out and goes back fair, it is a live ball, he said they played high school ball that way, I said we played that way in the back yard as a kid, you can catch the ball off a house or roof, but never in travel ball.

If the ball is batted into the fence or off the dugout it is a dead ball. No matter what ?type of ball HS or travel.

 

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I had one ump tell me that if the ball hit the top of the dugout or the fence in front of the dug out and goes back fair, it is a live ball, he said they played high school ball that way, I said we played that way in the back yard as a kid, you can catch the ball off a house or roof, but never in travel ball. ?:-/

If any part of the dugout or building is in play, that would be covered in ground rules.

 

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The dugout is 20 ft from the first and 3rd base foul line, they are not close to in play.

 

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That has to be one of the goofiest rule interpretations I've ever heard! And it's not in any way, shape or form how it's ruled in "high school ball".

A batted ball that hits a fence, dugout, wall, backstop or any other object "foreign to the natural grounds" before passing first or third base is always a foul ball.

The only possible explanation (besides the umpire being totally wrong!) would be that he was talking about something other than a batted ball, like a thrown ball that hits the face of the dugout and rebounds back toward the field. That will usually be a live, playable ball (subject to any ground rules saying otherwise).

Could that have been what he was talking about? Maybe something got lost in the translation.... :-?

 

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I wish I could say yes bretman, but we (the other teams coach) heard him right. We both looked at him and said we will not play that way, we want that call to be a dead ball, the ump said ok, because you both agree to play that way it will be a dead ball.
The other coach, was high school, he never heard of the rule. I did not ask what state he umps in.....my bad. :-X

 

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I did not ask what state he umps in.....my bad. :-X

No doubt a state of confusion.

 

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No doubt a state of confusion.

You beat me to it and took the words right out of my mouth!

 

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Just went through this. It is a live ball unless the umpire determins that the batter threw the bat at the ball intentionally. Maby this could be a new strategy. Might keep the catcher from getting those short ones due to the fact they may trip over the bat.