Man O man did Florida lay a beat down on Tosu .

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In all fairness, when OSU took over, their first task was to evaluate what they have and what their needs were- they should have picked up a pitcher for this year- be it JUCO transfer or recruit- and another for next year. It's NO secret that the new staffs doesn't consider many of the Kalfatis recruits valuable recruits and they even refer to them as dead weight....Now i have heard their hands are tied because OSU administration doesn't look kindly on "cutting" athletes (reducing scholarships) notwithstanding, for the life of me I cannot understand why they did not recruit one for this year and next year..
I don't understand your thinking for "this year and next year" considering they brought in Hursh this year and have 2 2015s. The only year they don't have a recruit coming in is next year.
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who knows, maybe they are counting on Freshman Hursch. I'm a fan of Dido and O'Reilly and hope that the current regime figures out how to use them correctly
DiDo is the #1 starter and they were hoping Nichols would be the #2. The pitching was actually good the first weekend and they lost 2 games to good teams in ITB as they failed to score both times. It was rough having to play both Florida and Oregon on Saturday.

They need to figure out who can be the #2 starter and improve the defense because their pitchers don't leave room for errors.
 
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Looking at their recruits...california @tOSU seems to be a theme....

Absolutely. But it also seems to be a theme across the Big Ten - and for that matter - for MOST East Coast D1 schools. I think it almost becomes an automatic decision if the coach is on the fence between a local girl or a west coaster. "She played in California; she must be good"...
 
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Ky off to a rip roaring start with very little help ( if any ? none ?) from the west coast . 8 players from Ky/Tn . and we all know the SEC plays the best fastpitch . Big :D
 
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Absolutely. But it also seems to be a theme across the Big Ten - and for that matter - for MOST East Coast D1 schools. I think it almost becomes an automatic decision if the coach is on the fence between a local girl or a west coaster. "She played in California; she must be good"...
The good coaches look deeper at the level of competition they've played against. For a major D1 school, they want players that have been successful against the top D1 recruits. Where it gets dicey is when it's between someone that has mixed results againt top competition versus someone that's been successful against lesser competition.

I see a lot of girls from here playing at a high level as freshmen and it's because they enter college prepared to compete at that level. I think Cammi Prantl's success last year as a freshman was due largely to coming in prepared. The girls that aren't prepared struggle for playing time and it's an uphill battle after that. Many are passed in 1-2 years by a younger player that comes in prepared.
 
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Very true point Socal. Those that succeed as freshman play big time travel at 16 and 18u .
 
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Very true point Socal. Those that succeed as freshman play big time travel at 16 and 18u .

MD -

To answer your earlier question; I have a daughter that plays college ball at the D2 level. Her team is lucky enough to have a Cali pitcher and she'll be our #1 for sure. I asked my kid what makes her so much better and she tells me "movement". It's hard for batters to get a gauge on where the ball will end up and before you know it you're down 0 - 2. Seems to be a great kid too and I bet she misses her family.

Lot's of talk about Prantl on here and her success at the D1 level. I don't think anyone can discount the level of competition she saw while on Slammers and Bandits. This girl was one of the original Ohio trail blazers that set her own path. She had tremendous help from her family and she chased down her goal.

I wonder how these teams better prepared her versus say the Ohio Nightmare player? Both play in the OF but only 1 sees real playing time. No dis on the player - I'm just wondering if there is a difference in players they saw @ Bandits versus Nightmare playing Gold.
 
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Need to look at it this way. Do these recruits want to play in the B1G? In the big picture, the B1G is a middle of the road softball conference. There have only been one maybe two B1G teams that show they can compete consistently at the national level and one is the school up north. My dd was recruited by a B1G school and she decided that the level of play that she wanted in college was not in the B1G conference. The conferences that do succeed at softball are the ACC, SEC, Big 12 and Pac-12. This is where you can experience college softball at a very high level as we all know. I do agree there are differences between recruiting in OSU football verse softball and the recruits wanting to come there to play their sport. But football does compete for national championships where softball really never gets close.
 
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cork - I agree with everything you said.

But my question is and has always been - why can't we be in the group of 1-2 Big Ten teams that compete? Is it funding? Is it facilities? Is it Athletic Dept commitment to the sport? Is it Coaching? Is it Recruiting? Is it the Local Talent Population? Is it Community support? The easy answer is, and has always been, some of everything. Well guess what - that answer has not improved the product. There are a lot of smart business professionals on this site. I wonder if you all would have left your businesses flounder this long. Tell the new softball AD to go hire a business analyst and tell them to review the successful programs and come back with a plan. If you go back and revisit the list of coaches that said no thanks after Coach K was released it should tell everyone something. Remember - being successful on the softball field brings a new level of problems - salaries, facilities, funding, recruiting, etc - hmmmmmmm
 
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cork - I agree with everything you said.

But my question is and has always been - why can't we be in the group of 1-2 Big Ten teams that compete? Is it funding? Is it facilities? Is it Athletic Dept commitment to the sport? Is it Coaching? Is it Recruiting? Is it the Local Talent Population? Is it Community support? The easy answer is, and has always been, some of everything. Well guess what - that answer has not improved the product. There are a lot of smart business professionals on this site. I wonder if you all would have left your businesses flounder this long. Tell the new softball AD to go hire a business analyst and tell them to review the successful programs and come back with a plan. If you go back and revisit the list of coaches that said no thanks after Coach K was released it should tell everyone something. Remember - being successful on the softball field brings a new level of problems - salaries, facilities, funding, recruiting, etc - hmmmmmmm

Big Ten player of the week is from Fort Wayne, Indiana. I think the coaches just recruit the wrong players sometimes - they just dont know how to do it. Its easy to spot the absolute stud in the group, but can you spot the talented kid that will run through a wall. Most can't. IU is 1-9 and is horrible. I am sure she thought she was getting top notch players, and they may be. But something is not working out. Last year of her contract, probably wont be renewed. Northwestern can recruit. Coaching talent has a lot do with it. Coaching makes a huge difference. Look at transfers - a kid not playing transfers and becomes all conference at another school. It happens. It happens in the pros too. Sometimes they just cant see it or wont look for it.
 
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I haven't seen the Big Ten stadiums in 11 years. How does ours compare?
 
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tOSU has a brand new field, stands. They put around 5 mil into the project.
 
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Wow

I really enjoy the passion of all the parents on this board, it really makes me confident of the continued succes of the youth programs in Ohio.

On the other hand...


I thought I was on Ultimate College Softball for a minute.

Even the Georgia Bulldog and Alabama threads on UCS have complaints about Champers and Murphy's recruiting from in state and out.


All I am saying is that give the new coach a chance.

Give her 5 years to see if she can build a program and be successful.

Not everyone is ever going to be satisfied with any girl chosen, or not chosen to play for tOSU.

Let the armchair coaching continue.


Herb
 
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My dd is focused on academics and is basing her college choice on that basis. That being said, her first choice for softball schools were climate-based, i.e. warm weather. We don't know where she'll end up, but I think she represents a fair percentage of girls making college choices. Girls in this group, I think, don't look at DI, DII, DIII and prioritize that way. They're looking for the place that fits them no matter where it is. A corrollary to this, however, is this: dedicated athletes and students are drawn to success.
 
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Herb- I respect your post and everything that you said - but I do note that even you referred to some of the roster as "Kalafatis recruits" including your daughter....although I will say the OSU recently got a gem in your kid and in Kirk.

There is NO secret that this reference (Kalafatis recruit) is widely used by the current coaches - as is the term "dead weight". So if the Coaches are taking issue with how things are perceived on a message board- let that sink in for a minute because they are the ones using those terms with the public- do they not think something like that will get out to parents of the younger ones looking to the OSU? Not sure about you but if I'm a parent i consider how the coach treats (refers to) ALL of the kids on the roster- to me that is a huge reflection of one's character.

Now I applaud the OSU as an institution for their committment to student athletes regardless of administration change -but that doesn't speak to what is currently being perceived in the recruiting circles as a snub to alot of great talent (both local and not local) currently wanting to go to the OSU- talent that is Big 10/ SEC/ ACC/AAC. This isn't a case of (for example) so and so is a stud 2016 OHIO SS but OSU doesn't need that position.

This type of stuff leaves people scratching their heads when they see certain kids being passed on and others being verballed- people are left wondering if they really know how to see talent?

I read a post recently where someone referred to another school as recruiting a bunch of infielders that had 60+ mph arms but had no control over their arm, or kids that run a 2.65 but could do nothing else, a roster of 4 power hitters that all play the same position (1st base), a bunch of great infielders that couldn't hit unless it was "thier pitch"....that recruiting is coming down to meeting certain "benchmarks/criteria" (gotta have that 60 mph arm, under 2.9 on the bases - yikes- what good is that if they can't control the arm or get on the damn base) rather than looking at the player as a "whole" and really digging deep for understanding what it really takes to be successful at the college level- sure recruiting STUD 5 tool players are no brainers but when it comes to recruting "complete athletes" there is a lot to be said-
what does concern me is what is being talking about in recruiting circles is the OSU's overall recruiting philosophy- "we are OSU so you OHIO kid should want to play for us for 25%) and what is also being dubbed "Hutch" syndrome when top level travel ball organizations try to reach out to the OSU with kids that are interested in the OSU
 
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Just thought I would chime in on this subject. I would assume that there are no College coaches on this forum telling us exactly what they are looking for in a ball player or what their recruiting criteria is and where they recruit from. We can all only go by what we here as far as G.P.A., how the girls conduct themselves, who carries the bags, how hard they throw, how fast they run the bases, and what geographical region they are from. I am positive that all coaches have their own requirements and differ greatly from one to another. I can only speak from our experience with a dozen or so D-1 coaches that we have dealt with over the last year or so and knowledge of others directly associated with the subject and their experiences. So lets just say that nothing else matters except the actual softball ability and you have an Ohio kid that has that ability to play for an OSU or any other major D-1 school regardless of conference. We all know the statistics and percentages for D-1 as it has been posted many times. Lets just also say that all of these girls dream to be a Buckeye whether it stems from the softball program specifically, the HOME team factor, or maybe, like most, because it has been bred into them via Saturday’s and the Football team. Dressing the part with flags, jerseys, and toilet paper from the team up north along with taking pictures when they were babies with Buckeye cheer outfits on, etc.

My opinion is that this staff absolutely lets good OHIO kids get away. They string them along thinking that they can have them at anytime because they are TOSU and everyone wants to play here. They seem to want to throw lowball offers at local kids too as it is my understanding from others. When these good kids are shown love from others, they move on. It’s as simple as that and therefore, OSU is letting them go!
In addition, it is my opinion that California kids are important to THIS coaching staff AND the previous one too. Goes hand in hand with my first opinion.
Speaking of Cali, I also believe that, in general, the Cali girls are not the top ones. Let’s be real, only California, Texas, or Florida kids come to OSU for the football. I have asked a half a dozen Cali kids that are currently on various teams what brought them all the way from California. The answer is always the offer. Why not USC or Arizona?!! It may have been the case in years past about them playing better competition but it is changing very quickly. There are some top-notch organizations right here in Ohio/Midwest that are producing great talent for playing in the Big Ten and other major conferences. They are also playing and competing against the best competition right here in the Midwest, East, and South……and not spending 4 grand for player fees. I know, I know, that last bit belongs on another thread or two that has been beat to death!

Once again, my opinions. However, this page is full of them I suppose!
 
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Donuts00 hit the nail on the head- the OSU does NOT do a good job recruiting the BEST ohio kids- they recruit ones that are willing to take 25% and when the BEST ohio kids get offered $$$ at TOP out of state schools- its no wonder people are left scratching their heads..... i can see why people get a bad taste in their mouth when they throw $$$$ at Cali kids and treat Ohio kids like second class
 
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UMP5671, I appreciate the time and thought that you put into your post. But your points are still a matter of your opinion.

It's hard to prove, or disprove, any of your answers.

(For instance - who can clearly define a second-tier player? It's all perception.)
 
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People should be careful to not be fixated on percentages or the amount of aid because what's really important is how much you're left to pay. It makes no financial sense to choose a 50% offer on $36-60k (pay $18-30k) over a 25% offer on $21k (pay $15.75k).

I expect most coaches at public schools try to stretch their allowed scholarships by leveraging their lower tution and fees for residents. On the flip side, they have to offer higher percentages to out-of-state athletes that have lower cost alternatives in their home state.
 
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