managers daughter gets free ride?

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First - the guy probably isn't coaching a team if his daughter isn't on it.
Second - If it doesn't fit your expectations then you have the freedom to move on.
I say if the person is already bitching about it, tell them to move on. they are going to do nothing but create problems for this team.

BTW, if you get on a travel team and expect fair treatment go back to rec ball.

Right on and I hope it's a lesson for this family. That team was what it is before they joined. They didn't do their do diligence before joining the team. If you don't know anything about a perspective team ask questions, talk to other families, talk to teams they played, etc. Find this stuff out before you say yes to an offer.

And coaches DD shouldn't be trying out of her team. It's a given and I would have no problem with coaches DD getting free ride or reduced fees. It's a lot of work coaching which is partly why I wouldn't do it. Other part is lack of knowledge. ha
 
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In all my years coaching, my dd's never played for free or gotten a reduced fee. I am expected to pay the same as everyone else and they must earn their spot on the roster and field like everyone else. No fees.....ahhhh, what a nice dream. :)
 
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In all my years coaching, my dd's never played for free or gotten a reduced fee. I am expected to pay the same as everyone else and they must earn their spot on the roster and field like everyone else. No fees.....ahhhh, what a nice dream. :)

So True, in most situations the coach has the most expense and places higher and sometimes unrealistic expectations on DD including additional/tougher training etc.
 
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I had that offer...and didn't take it. The chance to coach and have a reduced rate for both my girls. Instead I took a chance on another team.

It all works out in the end!
 
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I will tell you that 100% of the time I have either coached a team or helped coach on it because my child plays on it. Basically if it is a team I have created I started it BECAUSE I wanted a team for them to be on. Simple as that. And if I did start or coach that team my child has already made the team, by default.

I have coached on teams and made it clear that IF my daughter makes the team I'll coach but I don't want to be a coach and she makes it because of that. However if I am the head coach guess what? That's right, she's on the team.

very interesting comments: I want to share something I read off a website I really like called mysoftballcoach.com which states the following:

Here are a few quick facts about coach's kids:

They have to be at every practice.

They have to help load and unload all of the softball equipment .

They have to be at every game.

They undoubtedly have to listen to their dad talk about softball and the team more than any other players.

They have to listen to other players fuss about the team and coaches and it's surely much more personal to them than to the other players.

When you get right down to it, if not for the coach's kid, there wouldn't be a coach for the team. Certainly, the coach put's more time and effort into the softball team than any other parent, and by a LONG SHOT! Besides being at all of the practices and games he also gets to play baby sitter to 10 other girls while there parents do the things the coach is sacraficing.
If a discussion arises about your daughter's position or playing time, there is a two part answer. Be calm and be honest when you give the reply. (Part 1)Yes, my daughter plays almost every inning at her position and as long as I am the coach that will not change. (Part 2) If you cannot resolve yourself to my daughter's status on the team, I would encourage you to look for another team or start your own team. It's just that simple.

AGREE OR DIS-AGREE ? :)
 
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I know what the 10u coaches see...


My DD's (10 and 13) have been at every practice a half an hour early....and know how to rake a field to perfection for 45minutes after. We have left the Spano at 4:55 from pitching practice to play in Strasburg at 5:30!

They know what the wet ball feels like in the morning...cuz Saturday before the team shows up is our only chance to practice it again. They get that if they want my attention on the field....Mom doesnt work>>only Coach!!!

And they know that I will hash it out with an assistant on the deck on my cell fifteen times before they go to bed.


But...I will host a sleepover on New years...because I treasure each moment that they call me coach. They do it because I trusted them first and my dd's wouldnt have it any other way =) I must be doing something right.

To heck with daddyball...
 
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I'm going to approach this issue from a different angle. It's my understanding that this is your friends first year in TB.

What about if they spent their first year in travel ball learning the ropes. Learning to allow their DD to respect her coach even if they don't agree with everything that is happening. That can be hard, but necessary for her future. Someday she will have a boss that is not going to do everything fair or correctly. These are life lessons and learning how to best handle them can be a very valuable. Sometimes it's us parents who need to learn how to just be quiet...it's hard, I know, but we do our kids a huge favor when we do :)
It will also give them time to see what they really want in a team or organization and what teams are out there that can offer it.
It may be a year of "paying your dues" so to speak, until they learn the system.
 
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I've had to deal with my DD crying on the bench at the 11u World Series due to playing time... very very very hard to see when she was an average player, not great nor was personally driven to be on top of the heap. Great kid, loves the game, and that's it. She got in the games and did well each time, just didn't hit with as high an average as others. I will say that daddy ball on my team isn't an issue. Never has been and I'd be the first to tell you it was if it was. My point is after 5 years in coaching travel ball, an honest coach won't have trouble with his DD if he/she can play the best or even more important stick to the plan that was communicated. Hard to argue the "plan". Especially if the plan was set out as "this is a growing year" for some players or even the team. Once the emotional side is tamed down with playing time and the communication is open, daddy ball is less of an issue. I'll toot my own horn and say that my DD took a beating on playing time and time spent with the team. It's not good being a coach's kid, especially when I was talked into coaching and had no desire to do so knowing the commitment for travel was enormous (boy was I right). The time on the phone and all the time away from true time with my DD took an massive hit! My DD helped me everyday after practice and tournaments loading an unloading. That any many other things that she didn't get credit for nor did it get her more playing time. Another downside of being a coach's kid.

As far as taking $ for coaching to offset travel, rooms, etc... I haven't done this for my own personal reasons and didn't even when my DD no longer played for me. This isn't a high and mighty POV or decision. My take is a head coach or coaching staff has enough to manage and money (or whatever the small amount is in the grand scheme) is fuel to an already sensitive playing time or coaching decision fire. DRAMA FREE ZONE for me!! I can hear it now... "shoot, we all pay coach, a paid coach shouldn't be doing that, a paid coach is messing that up, what makes "that" decision or any other,... shoot, us parents can do better than that". Money is an easy way to get someone all fired up and that's why it's a bad idea for such a small amount of money. Now on the other hand, if I were to get paid, let's make it worthwhile. Shoot, let me quit my day job and then pay some real money and my last few comments would do an "about face". I enjoy the families and players that have been with me for years and can gladly say that having money out of the situation has been a blessing. Reminds of the drama associated with borrowing money from family... you know, something you shouldn't do. After all, these families are my extended family for 11.99 months of the year.

There are other reasons to be pay coaches or consider paid coaches (too many to list), but I'll say if the coach is flat out broke, in a divorce, out of work... they may need a hand with expenses. Times today are tough.

We have faced paid coaching staffs in our years and that for me was even more fun to pull a victory out of or try to pull one out :cap:. Nothing wrong at all to have a paid staff when they get results and play the best teams and put the strongest team on the field. Hey, only the strong survive, right?:D Please note that I'm not talking about both sides on this topic. At the end of the day, some want paid coaches, some want to pay for expenses, some families want a team with coaches having no DD's of their own on the roster, and some just have their own specific needs. To each their own but before they call out daddy ball or whatever complaint they have, make sure it's well thought out and real before throwing stones.

Many other good points within this thread. Good topic!!!
 
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I don't have a problem with a coaches stipend for a non-parent coach to cover their hotel costs etc. JMHO
 
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So True, in most situations the coach has the most expense and places higher and sometimes unrealistic expectations on DD including additional/tougher training etc.
I 100% percent do the same. In the past years have held her to a higher standard then the rest of the girls before realizing that's really not fair. My daughter knows and has known if she is being out worked then the outworker will be rewarded. And I stand by that no matter what. Seems to work well for us. So that being said the "daddy ball" stereo typing should be looked at on a case by case basis. Don't let a stereo typical statement sway your decision to which org. Or team you chose. Would suggest talking with parents of returning players prior to making commitments. See whether each girl is getting a fair shake so to sleek. On the other side of this post I have seen and heard alot of coach/fathers doing this type of thing and in my opinion it not only hurts the team but the daughter as well. She has to learn to step up her game or else.
 
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First - the guy probably isn't coaching a team if his daughter isn't on it.
Second - If it doesn't fit your expectations then you have the freedom to move on.
I say if the person is already bitching about it, tell them to move on. they are going to do nothing but create problems for this team.

BTW, if you get on a travel team and expect fair treatment go back to rec ball.

Great Post . This guy sounds like a cancer hope coach knows it, and get's rid of him.
 
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I also have a step daughter on my team. Our team motto is that if you perform you will play. Once the game (or practice for that matter) starts I, nor do any of my coaches, have a daughter on the team until the game is over. Its tough but its the right thing to do. We keep daily stats and they as well as a few other variables determine who will start at any position. Two years ago, my assistant coach's daughter was struggling. She didnt start but maybe 1/4 of the games due to performance. During her struggles we sat her down and explained what it would take to EARN a starting position. To her credit she has busted her butt with additional training, speed and agility classes, and worked her tail off in her basement to EARN that spot. Daddy ball does exist and like mentioned in an earlier post it does nothing but hurt the player if "Daddy" doesnt do the right thing...
 
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I also have a step daughter on my team. Our team motto is that if you perform you will play. Once the game (or practice for that matter) starts I, nor do any of my coaches, have a daughter on the team until the game is over. Its tough but its the right thing to do. We keep daily stats and they as well as a few other variables determine who will start at any position. Two years ago, my assistant coach's daughter was struggling. She didnt start but maybe 1/4 of the games due to performance. During her struggles we sat her down and explained what it would take to EARN a starting position. To her credit she has busted her butt with additional training, speed and agility classes, and worked her tail off in her basement to EARN that spot. Daddy ball does exist and like mentioned in an earlier post it does nothing but hurt the player if "Daddy" doesnt do the right thing...[/QUOTE

I agree with handling things like this- its travel ball not rec.

and as far as westside willy's comments go - lol because a family is new and asks some questions means they are cancer? come on man-really? thats pretty harsh to assume and call someone out like that. you must have has some bad experiences in previous years to come off this way - but its your opinion and thats what i was asking for - opinions. thanks for your input!
 
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One thing I should Point out is, my kids have played for coaches with no kids. No kids on the team and none of their own in "real" life. That's not always great either one thing most coaches who have their kids on the team have is experience and in some cases patience to deal with kids that age. There are obviously great coaches without kids of their own and lousy coaches with kids...but I have noticed a lack of kid experience can be a detriment to successfully coaching kids.
 
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All these problems could be fixed. Travel teams should all be non-parent coaching....period. I wonder If California Premier teams and Gold teams are all parent coached teams, I would bet not. New rule.....if your daughter goes to tryouts and can't make a team, you should not be able to start your own travel team just so she can play. Sounds harsh huh?....sorry, that is why travel ball is so watered down and the level of play other then the top ASA/USA is so weak. Sad but true.
 
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One thing I should Point out is, my kids have played for coaches with no kids. No kids on the team and none of their own in "real" life. That's not always great either one thing most coaches who have their kids on the team have is experience and in some cases patience to deal with kids that age. There are obviously great coaches without kids of their own and lousy coaches with kids...but I have noticed a lack of kid experience can be a detriment to successfully coaching kids.

Great point...
 
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First - the guy probably isn't coaching a team if his daughter isn't on it.
Second - If it doesn't fit your expectations then you have the freedom to move on.
I say if the person is already bitching about it, tell them to move on. they are going to do nothing but create problems for this team.

BTW, if you get on a travel team and expect fair treatment go back to rec ball.

just to clear this up a little - nobody said they are "bitching" they are new to TB and simply asking for advise from more experienced family's, coaches and thats why i thought putting it up on OFC would be a good idea to see what others have seen or gone thru over the years...

OFC'ers - sorry if my original post came across that this family is "bitching" because that is not how I wanted it to come across and i i dont think they are "bitching" yet.. lol This is a New TB family asking for advise is all....
I know this is a very touchy subject and I always hear about "cancer" but i dont think asking questions means you are problem parents, bitching or cancer parents... Thanks for all the input everyone!!! I am sure they will get some good information after reading all this.
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All these problems could be fixed. Travel teams should all be non-parent coaching....period. I wonder If California Premier teams and Gold teams are all parent coached teams, I would bet not. New rule.....if your daughter goes to tryouts and can't make a team, you should not be able to start your own travel team just so she can play. Sounds harsh huh?....sorry, that is why travel ball is so watered down and the level of play other then the top ASA/USA is so weak. Sad but true.

I agree with the second half of your comment "new rule should be if your daughter goes to a tryout and doesn't make the team. They should not be able to start there own."

But my opinion on the other is that's partially true but alot of it is pushy parents with rose colored glasses that have a different idea of skill sets of there dd and they should be starting in the position over another girl that is better. So they decide to go elsewhere. Haven't had that issue myself but have seen and heard things like this. Thus watering down the talent.
 
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All these problems could be fixed. Travel teams should all be non-parent coaching....period. I wonder If California Premier teams and Gold teams are all parent coached teams, I would bet not. New rule.....if your daughter goes to tryouts and can't make a team, you should not be able to start your own travel team just so she can play. Sounds harsh huh?....sorry, that is why travel ball is so watered down and the level of play other then the top ASA/USA is so weak. Sad but true.

That may be how they do it in a socialist country. Here, thankfully we are free to make our own choices. Every team my DD has been on has been parent coach. Now if you want to be on a non-parent coached team...THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. What business is it of yours if some parent wants to start a team and others girls want to play on it? And who says travel is "watered down". You playing at the Premier or Gold level and having a hard time finding competition? If not is your team winning every tournament that you enter? I doubt it. There are different level tournament and the wise ones know which ones to enter. You must not fall into that category. My DD is on a good team and we are not having a hard time finding good competition. Just the opposite.

There is room for everyone, it's NOT watered down, it's growing and that is great!
 
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That may be how they do it in a socialist country. Here, thankfully we are free to make our own choices. Every team my DD has been on has been parent coach. Now if you want to be on a non-parent coached team...THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. What business is it of yours if some parent wants to start a team and others girls want to play on it? And who says travel is "watered down". You playing at the Premier or Gold level and having a hard time finding competition? If not is your team winning every tournament that you enter? I doubt it. There are different level tournament and the wise ones know which ones to enter. You must not fall into that category. My DD is on a good team and we are not having a hard time finding good competition. Just the opposite.

There is room for everyone, it's NOT watered down, it's growing and that is great!
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That's along the lines I was thinking but was trying to be nice and open minded. Well said!
 

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