No contact with travelball girls?

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I was asked what exactly is the fine line between High School and Travelball concerning contact. A father is a travelball coach for his DD and his DD is a pitcher, for both H.S. and travel, can he still go to the local gym and catch her three days a week as he has done since November.

Same father and DD, what if they have access to a local hitting facility or even a sports place where you put quarters in, can they do this?

Thanks for your help

 

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The non interscholastic contact rules does not apply to family. Provided no other members are present, so he couldnt be working with anybody else from the team at the same time, or that would be a practice I think its by-law 10-3-7 or something like that.

I have to say I am curious, I dont know too many kids that have the time to pitch 3 times a week and hit in the cages during the high school season outside of high school practice, Seeing as its a 6 day a week deal during the season lol.

 

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Uber,
You are right about the three days a week. I was kinda drifting back to the gloomy ole winter days to when it was three days a week. The question was brought up to me and in hindsight I guess was in case some extra work was wanted to fix a kink in her swing or motion.

Thanks,

Gary

P.S. I like your quote

 

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If the father is a travel ball coach and the girls are travel ball players as long as there is not more than 3 from any one high school team they can do whatever per ohssa rules up to one month before the championship game or till the end of April I believe. The decision to stop working with their travel teams before this is caused by High School coaches telling them to stop not by OHSSA. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.
Thanks
note : after reviewing the exact cutoff date is May 5th not the end of April

 

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If the father is a travel ball coach and the girls are travel ball players as long as there is not more than 3 from any one high school team they can do whatever per ohssa rules up to one month before the championship game or till the end of April I believe. The decision to stop working with their travel teams before this is caused by High School coaches telling them to stop not by OHSSA. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.
Thanks

You are totally and absolutly 100% wrong!!!

 

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I would cut and paste this for you , but read 10-3-1 OHSAA By laws. It has nothing to do with the high school coach! ?Plus as Lady Knight has pointed out you have your rules mixed up. You are confusing the number of kids during the summer that the high school coach can coach from his team at one time..
That is why ?traveling ball teams have stopped having practices as of 2-25-08, unless you have a 12U or under team.

http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/sb/girls/default.asp If anyone would like to read the rules

 

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Lady Knights easy on the caffine there buddy. Why do you have to be so dramatic. I offered by opinion and asked to be corrected if I was wrong. We all know you are a High School coach and an authority because you are on here 50 times a day. I personally do nothing but I should have said is CLINICS such as girls going to the batting cages have been done forever. Formal PRACTICES,TRYOUTS, GAMES, etc are not permitted after the start of the season.
Again whats up with you Lady Knights having a bad day that was nothing but rude.
ps. absolutEly ?

sbfamily thanks for the info and the link I do appreciate it.

 

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[quote author=lightningcoach link=1203559012/0#3 date=1203710390]If the father is a travel ball coach and the girls are travel ball players as long as there is not more than 3 from any one high school team they can do whatever per ohssa rules up to one month before the championship game or till the end of April I believe. The decision to stop working with their travel teams before this is caused by High School coaches telling them to stop not by OHSSA. Please correct me if I am wrong on this.
Thanks

You are totally and absolutly 100% wrong!!![/quote]

Lady Knights ASSOLUTLY?????? It is spelled ABSOLUTELY......... Do your coaches have to be teachers? If so I will bet you dont teach ENGLISH!!!!!! ;D

 

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Back to the thread....If you are not the high school coach you may have a indoor clinic where every girl from the team comes to learn. No penalty! No rule breaking! Period! Until season opens

 

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gnk33: ?Same as open gym , but be careful the rules have changed. You stated the high school coach can't , He isn't the only one that can't do these clinics or open gym. Anyone now that helps the high school coach has to be board approved and they fall into this ?area.

 

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You are correct. Except they dont fail into this area they fall into this area. I think that sometimes people respond on this board just to puff out their own chest and I know that many State Champs have went to clinics all year long without any problems!
Some people on here need to quit reading the rule book so much and quit trying to boast their knowledge and spend more time teaching the girls how to play!

prozac!

 

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10-1-1 defines when you become a member of the school team.

[highlight]10-1-1 A student is a member of an interscholastic squad when the student participates in an
interscholastic contest. An athletic contest involving participants from another school
or any non-interscholastic or any organized adult team is either a game, meet, match,
preview or scrimmage.[/highlight]

10-3-1a limits participation with non school teams

[highlight]10-3-1 A member of an interscholastic squad sponsored by the Board of Education or other
governing board shall not participate in a contest, tryouts or any type of training or
practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport (See Bylaw
10-3-4), in the same sport during the school?s interscholastic sports season.[/highlight]

so it appears the first school scrimmage or contest would be the deadline. We play it safe. Once pitchers and catchers report next Monday, that will be the only team she practices with untill the high school coach releases her.

here is a link to all the bylaws
http://www.ohsaa.org/general/about/Bylaws.pdf

 

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We have no idea who you are , but Lady_Knight spends more time teaching girls how to play softball as a coach at the high school and traveling team level for many years! But as an AD he must also know and read the rules. Yes, clinics I have been to 18 this year, so don't tell me about time teaching!

 

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10-3-7 ?"The squad member limitations set forth in bylaws 10-3-4 and 10-3-6 shall not apply if members of ?the non-interscholistic squad are all siblings (by Blood or adoption) and no other player from the same interscholistc squad is a particapant on behalf of the ?non-interscholastic squad"

Now lets be adults, they cant post a by-law for every single case that might present itself, so going by the "Blood or adoption" rule you can safely assume that a father/coach of a travel player can safely catch his kid or take her to the cages to hit during the High school season. I mean you really cant think that the OHSAA would be so presumptuous to make a rule about when a Father/Mother who is also a coach can work with their own DD? Its when your bring others players into the mix that your crossing a line.


BTW what does the May 5th date mean?

May 5 Non-Interscholastic Competition No Longer Permitted Per OHSAA

 

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Posb Family,
Whoaa there. If I were talking about you I would have said so. I dont question The Lady Knights Coaching. Just look at all the hardware he has hanging.
You mam defend him as if he is the coach of your team. Take it easy on me I have forgot more about this game than you him and his staff will ever know.

bo6608. That is a great explanation. Thank you.

that is what the person that started this thread ask for.

Lightning coach gave him the answer then ask if anyone had a correction and Lady Nights jumped down his throat like he was the all knowing. Then I try and help out and clear things a little and you sbfamily take out the claws and attack me like a bear protecting her cubs. If I never did anything right today at least I see you corrected your word (fail) in your post that I helped you with!
Have a great day and please try and read the threads and understand what is being said before you blow off like you did! It dont matter who I am and I am personally glad you dont know me because with the Cybil like personality you just showed you scare me!

 

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BTW what does the May 5th date mean?
May 5 Non-Interscholastic Competition No Longer Permitted Per OHSAA

Thats a good question.
My best guess is that since it appears to be ok to schedule Non-Interscholastic contests (out of state, travel,community) before the state tourney, it is forbidden after that.
We still have regular season games scheduled after May 5, but since they fall under OHSAA rules they are considered interscholastic. which must make it ok.

 

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BTW what does the May 5th date mean?

May 5 Non-Interscholastic Competition No Longer Permitted Per OHSAA

now I'm sitting here wondering what the intent of the rule is. I know travel teams like to "play up" before a national tourney or big event. Can a High School schedule a few scrimmages with college level players, or an out of state 18u team before the state tourney to help them prepare?

 

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so what you can do if your on the coaching staff for a travel team and want to help your daughters school team in some area ...say hitting, is to just charge each student a dime and call it a clinic?. sounds alot like the tax code, just made for loopholes. and by the way mixing travel and school ball is new to me so im just making my judgement from what ive read here

 

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A member of an interscholastic fast pitch softball squad (any student who has played
in a scrimmage, preview or regular season/tournament game as a substitute or
starter) sponsored by the Board of Education shall not participate in a non-interscholastic
program (tryouts, practice or contest) as an individual or as a member of
a team in the sport of fast pitch softball during the school?s season (Bylaw 10-3-1).

Forgive me when I say I do not uderstand this... Does this mean a 16u travel team( that I coach with my DD on team) can not practice on Sunday March 2nd if pitchers and catchers report this week... I am so confused :-? :-? :-?

 

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643dp: You are correct. No , after 2-25-08, you cannot practice. We tell all our high school girls this during our team meetings. You can still practice with family members, I take my daughter to camps and clinics.