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Thanks.. That`s what I thought but on the OHSSA website it said scrimmage,preview or regular season/tournement... that threw me off...Thanks again
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Actually its only feb 25th if the kid is a Pitcher/catcher, so you could get 2 more weeks with the position players on your travel team.
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problem is I have 4 pitchers and 3 catchers.... pretty good problem to have huh...lol
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Isnt the 25 of Feb for pitchers, catchers, new players into the program, and/or freshman? Correct me if I am wrong?
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Maybe I was a little wound up that day when I posted, but the line about being a HS coaches decision and not an OHSAA rule really hit a nerve.
I just wanted to make sure through all the other posts on this thread that all saw that this was ABSOLUTELY (sp) wrong. ?Got most of your attention, so I guess it served the purpose.
Another thing is this has been posted and reposted, and talked about till we are all blue in the face, but very few go and look at the OHSAA bylaws and and do a little work on their own educating themselves about what the rules are. ?They just make up their own interpretation of the rules. ?I have the rules/bylaws printed out right next to my desk on the wall, and know them very well, because I take the time to understand them, so I don't get into trouble.
But I will tell you one thing, if someone asks a question, I make darn sure that I am 99.9% positive that what I am telling them is the truth, or I don't post it. ?I don't answer them by posting something, then having someone tell me I was wrong.
I just wanted to make sure through all the other posts on this thread that all saw that this was ABSOLUTELY (sp) wrong. ?Got most of your attention, so I guess it served the purpose.
Another thing is this has been posted and reposted, and talked about till we are all blue in the face, but very few go and look at the OHSAA bylaws and and do a little work on their own educating themselves about what the rules are. ?They just make up their own interpretation of the rules. ?I have the rules/bylaws printed out right next to my desk on the wall, and know them very well, because I take the time to understand them, so I don't get into trouble.
But I will tell you one thing, if someone asks a question, I make darn sure that I am 99.9% positive that what I am telling them is the truth, or I don't post it. ?I don't answer them by posting something, then having someone tell me I was wrong.
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Feb 25th is first day of coaching Pitchers/Catchers only. Coaching anybody that is not a pitcher/catcher or if you are one of these coaches that says everybody is a Pitcher/Catcher, you would be in violation of the spirit of the rule.
That is how I have read the rule, I have read quite a few times the past few years lol. You need to have a Law degree to completely understand what they are saying most of the time.
2008 OHSAA Softball Calendar
Feb. 25 First Day of Coaching Pitchers and Catchers Only
Mar. 10 First Day of Coaching
Mar. 31 Season Begins
May 4 Sectional Tournament Draw Date
May 5 Non-Interscholastic Competition No Longer Permitted
May 5 - May 17 Sectional Tournament
May 19 - May 24 District Tournament
May 30 - May 31 Regional Tournament
June 5 - June 7 State Tournament
June 14 Season Ends
Aug. 4 - Sept. 1 Coaches' No Contact Period
I am still stuck on the May 5th day and nobody seems to actually know what that means.
That is how I have read the rule, I have read quite a few times the past few years lol. You need to have a Law degree to completely understand what they are saying most of the time.
2008 OHSAA Softball Calendar
Feb. 25 First Day of Coaching Pitchers and Catchers Only
Mar. 10 First Day of Coaching
Mar. 31 Season Begins
May 4 Sectional Tournament Draw Date
May 5 Non-Interscholastic Competition No Longer Permitted
May 5 - May 17 Sectional Tournament
May 19 - May 24 District Tournament
May 30 - May 31 Regional Tournament
June 5 - June 7 State Tournament
June 14 Season Ends
Aug. 4 - Sept. 1 Coaches' No Contact Period
I am still stuck on the May 5th day and nobody seems to actually know what that means.
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Uber, for the May 5th date. ?If your High School team adds player from a non-school approved team to its roster, then the latest they could have played travel ball is 5 May. ?
I guess that some high schools pick-up girls, that attend the school but didn't try-out or make the team, for the tournament run. ?
Of course, once they are on the high school team, they are prohibited from any travel ball until the end of the season or they quit.
I guess that some high schools pick-up girls, that attend the school but didn't try-out or make the team, for the tournament run. ?
Of course, once they are on the high school team, they are prohibited from any travel ball until the end of the season or they quit.
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Many of you have asked about the May 5th date, and what it pertains to.
First, you may add players to your roster at anytime during the season. ?So lets say you have a girl that decided to not go out for the HS team. ?This girl is allowed to practice/play with her travel team, and not considered a part on the inter-scholastic squad. ?Prior to May 5th, numerous girls are kicked off the team for disciplinary reasons, and you now want to add players to your roster. ?Provided it's before the May 5th deadline date, you can still add this player, and be eligible for tourney play. ?She must then quit practice/participation with her travel team, and will now be considered part of the inter-scholastic squad. ?If it is after the May 5th date, this player could not be added to your roster, because she has to be added 28 days prior to the Monday before the State Softball tournament.
Rule 4) 4.9 covers this...
http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/rglts/SB07-08.pdf
First, you may add players to your roster at anytime during the season. ?So lets say you have a girl that decided to not go out for the HS team. ?This girl is allowed to practice/play with her travel team, and not considered a part on the inter-scholastic squad. ?Prior to May 5th, numerous girls are kicked off the team for disciplinary reasons, and you now want to add players to your roster. ?Provided it's before the May 5th deadline date, you can still add this player, and be eligible for tourney play. ?She must then quit practice/participation with her travel team, and will now be considered part of the inter-scholastic squad. ?If it is after the May 5th date, this player could not be added to your roster, because she has to be added 28 days prior to the Monday before the State Softball tournament.
Rule 4) 4.9 covers this...
http://www.ohsaa.org/sports/rglts/SB07-08.pdf
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Wow thanks LK and Wvanalmsick does that rule apply to kids on the JV? Or can they be brought up even after May 5th and play?
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intesting... you guys are so good....
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Girls on the JV should be on a school approved team so they cannot be playing any travel ball. ?So they can be moved back and forth from varsity to JV.
I haven't heard of any JV teams being club teams but I suppose it is possible. ?If this is the case, then they would have to follow this rule if they are added to the varsity roster.
BTW, if I remember right, it was Lady Knights that explained this rule to me a couple of years ago.
I haven't heard of any JV teams being club teams but I suppose it is possible. ?If this is the case, then they would have to follow this rule if they are added to the varsity roster.
BTW, if I remember right, it was Lady Knights that explained this rule to me a couple of years ago.
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Good point, I hadnt thought about that lol, excuse my senior moment ;D
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Uber, here is a possible scenario I just thought of.
A JV team plays its last scheduled game after the May 5th cutoff. ?The players are released tp go back to their travel teams. ?So a JV player hustles back to her travel team and plays in a tournament. ?Well, now a varsity player gets hurt and the HS coach wants to bring this JV player up to varsity for the rest of the OHSAA tournament.
I would have to say, sorry, no dice.
Just a possible situation.
A JV team plays its last scheduled game after the May 5th cutoff. ?The players are released tp go back to their travel teams. ?So a JV player hustles back to her travel team and plays in a tournament. ?Well, now a varsity player gets hurt and the HS coach wants to bring this JV player up to varsity for the rest of the OHSAA tournament.
I would have to say, sorry, no dice.
Just a possible situation.
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For those that think that no one is watching and nothing will be done, here is a section of the 17 JAN 08 OHSAA Board of Control Minutes.
All it takes is one disgruntled person.
All it takes is one disgruntled person.
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wnanalmsick: You make a good point. We do not release our JV players till we release our Varisity for the reason you mentioned.
Just to add a twist to this. We had a JV girl that played JV that was 14.. She no longer could play do to her grades, so was released and then joined her 14U travel team.
Just to add a twist to this. We had a JV girl that played JV that was 14.. She no longer could play do to her grades, so was released and then joined her 14U travel team.
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Sorry, I'm still confused. SBFAMILY writes after 2-25-08 no contact. bo6608 interpretation of the rule is the first school scrimmage or contest, which is how i read it also.
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This was brought up at the OHSAA rules interpretation meeting i attended a couple of weeks ago, The rule is "10-3-1 A member of an interscholastic squad sponsored by the Board of Education or other
governing board shall not participate in a contest, tryouts or any type of training or
practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport (See Bylaw
10-3-4), in the same sport during the school?s interscholastic sports season.
The High School season starts 2-25-08 for Pitchers and Catchers and starts 3-10-08 for everyone else.
The way OHSAA recomended handleing this was NO TRAVEL BALL AFTER THESE DATES. It is better to be safe than sorry. I would hate to try and fight this at the Girls expense. JMHO
governing board shall not participate in a contest, tryouts or any type of training or
practices on a non-interscholastic squad or as an individual in a team sport (See Bylaw
10-3-4), in the same sport during the school?s interscholastic sports season.
The High School season starts 2-25-08 for Pitchers and Catchers and starts 3-10-08 for everyone else.
The way OHSAA recomended handleing this was NO TRAVEL BALL AFTER THESE DATES. It is better to be safe than sorry. I would hate to try and fight this at the Girls expense. JMHO
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Dave Metsch said:
I'm just going to give you my opinion, and I agree that this February 25th, March 10th start time is a gray area that can be open for individual interpretation.
But I'm basing my opinion on the May 5th date that has been talked about previously.
If your HS coach does not bring you in on the February 25th date, there is nothing saying that you are even going out for the HS team, and you should still be eligible to practice with your travel team. ?When you do finally report for your first practice, this will now be considered the start of your HS season, and you will no longer be allowed to participate in any non-interscholastic practice or games.
I had a person call me yesterday and ask me about this same question. ?The girls HS coach told them to not report till March 10th, because they were not pitchers or catchers, and told them they were allowed to continue practicing with there travel team, until they report with the whole team on March 10th.
The reason I mentioned the May 5th date is....It states in the Bylaws that a player who has not been on the team previously, and has been participating in non-interscholastic competition, can be added to the roster prior to May 5th. ?
So with this logic I am assuming that a girl who does not come in with the pitchers and catchers would fall into this rule of the OHSAA Bylaws.
Again, this is only an opinion!!!
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I think that particular rule is very clear (a rarity for the OHSAA) and that girls can do things with their travel team until the first scrimmage or game for their high school team. bo6608's listing of the pertinent rules was perfect.
Because many high school coaches don't know this rule and because about all of the girls are busy with softball 5-6 days per week beginning now, we strongly advise our 14-U and older teams to stop on Feb. 25 or the first day of pitchers/catchers.
Because many high school coaches don't know this rule and because about all of the girls are busy with softball 5-6 days per week beginning now, we strongly advise our 14-U and older teams to stop on Feb. 25 or the first day of pitchers/catchers.
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SOFTBALL-FAST PITCH 2007-08
4) Non-Interscholastic Participation
4.1) A member of an interscholastic fast pitch softball squad (any student who has played
in a scrimmage, preview or regular season/tournament game as a substitute or
starter) sponsored by the Board of Education shall not participate in a non-interscholastic
program (tryouts, practice or contest) as an individual or as a member of
a team in the sport of fast pitch softball during the school?s season (Bylaw 10-3-1).
The high school season in Ohio starts on March 31, according to OHSAA but the language above references "during the school's season." One could assume that this period starts on March 31 but most travel clubs stop practice by March 10 or even February 25 (using 2008 dates). It's unfortunate that some of the wording couldn't have been revised to make this rule clear.
4) Non-Interscholastic Participation
4.1) A member of an interscholastic fast pitch softball squad (any student who has played
in a scrimmage, preview or regular season/tournament game as a substitute or
starter) sponsored by the Board of Education shall not participate in a non-interscholastic
program (tryouts, practice or contest) as an individual or as a member of
a team in the sport of fast pitch softball during the school?s season (Bylaw 10-3-1).
The high school season in Ohio starts on March 31, according to OHSAA but the language above references "during the school's season." One could assume that this period starts on March 31 but most travel clubs stop practice by March 10 or even February 25 (using 2008 dates). It's unfortunate that some of the wording couldn't have been revised to make this rule clear.
