Ohio fp - the next level??????????

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OK I will volunteer for the good of Ohio fastpitch. Everyone send me your best player and we will put this theory to a test. I think the experiment would work best at 16U and 12 players should give us a good case study.

BTW send a blank check with each player so we are covered financially to play in the most prestigious tournaments. I will get on the phone with Big train, Kobata, Dagenais, Weaver, Hillhouse, Carrier and etc about rotating weekly workouts to NE, NW, SW and cenral Ohio (those blank checks will help with that too )

We want to represent the state so we will call this Team Ohio Hawks

WHO'S IN?

 

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One thing to keep in mind in regards to the Batbusters, Angels, Minors Gold, etc. These are not just teams. But businesses. They have great indoor facilities, their own outdoor complexes. They host major tournaments, have major sponsors, and bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars into the "business". These aren't ran by a guy/gal who works a 9-5. Their lives are softball/sports related.

If you want a model of a consistant very successful team close by, that you could model after. I would call Tommy of the Shamrocks in Va.

Not sure they all run these programs like "businesses" Marty Tyson who founded and runs the Angels works 3rd shift as a prison guard in CA.

 

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Not sure they all run these programs like "businesses" Marty Tyson who founded and runs the Angels works 3rd shift as a prison guard in CA.

It is still a business...big business. He has more resources than we have, as they all do. That is my point. More resources, either seen or unseen.

 

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OK, I have followed this topic for awhile and I have one questions, Do baseball parents have the same discussions. Maybe I am missing something but it seems like the midwest produces some pretty good talent for baseball even with the same weather. I took a quick peek @ OSU baseball roster and there is a ton of Buckeyes on that team.

 

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Interesting thought Doug - I went last fall and watched a couple local colleges play fall ball and honestly - I know several local players that could play on their rosters, maybe crack a starting lineup. When I look at the local schools and see 1 OH player on their roster - I have to question if the school is really even putting any time in recruiting here- I think they shoot south and west looking for talent and drive past players that could make their teams on the way to the airport.

 

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I hear your youngest DD is now a Hawk TT ... welcome aboard!

 

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OK, I have followed this topic for awhile and I have one questions, Do baseball parents have the same discussions. Maybe I am missing something but it seems like the midwest produces some pretty good talent for baseball even with the same weather. I took a quick peek @ OSU baseball roster and there is a ton of Buckeyes on that team.

Doug A, that is fantastic question and exactly why my vision statement of an OHIO ORG(ie: ELITE PROGRAM) in Ohio is the missing link.

Why aren't our DDs getting the SAME ELITE Exposure/Opportunities other dds in Cali / Texas or as you indicate as OHIO Baseball Players even get with the same weather or culture challenges.


OH Baseball has ELITE PROGRAMS(Flames, Midland,.....) respected by Colleges & Pros as CRETIFIED BRANDED Programs with kids ALL training the SKILLS they are looking for.

OH Fastpitch DOES NOT HAVE THIS BRAND or ELITE ORG. "YET", from a TRAINING RESOURCES and HISTORY of producing Big time talent with THE SKILLS.

 

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I hear your youngest DD is now a Hawk TT ... welcome aboard!

J is stoked. Glad to join the "NEST".

 

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I just like coaching and helping kids that want to learn myself. I do not need the best girls around to do this, just ones that want to play the game with passion. I believe there are plenty of girls in Ohio that can play at many different D-1 schools and yes I think some of these girls get over looked because the coaches look south or west but I think the main issue here is parents and some coaches. I do not know a girl that does'nt want to play on the best team but in reality if they are that good then make the team you are on one of the best. It is not the kids but usually the parents that think they need the best. If the kids like where they are at and what they are doing then why mess with them? Like I mentioned above, I am a coach that likes to teach girls that want to learn the game. I am not a coach that needs the best at everything and just sit back and watch. If the girls want more they will get it by going to camps, clinics and seeking one on one instruction.

 

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Doug A, that is fantastic question and exactly why my vision statement of an OHIO ORG(ie: ELITE PROGRAM) in Ohio is the missing link.

Why aren't our DDs getting the SAME ELITE Exposure/Opportunities other dds in Cali / Texas or as you indicate as OHIO Baseball Players even get with the same weather or culture challenges.


OH Baseball has ELITE PROGRAMS(Flames, Midland,.....) respected by Colleges & Pros as CRETIFIED BRANDED Programs with kids ALL training the SKILLS they are looking for.

OH Fastpitch DOES NOT HAVE THIS BRAND or ELITE ORG. "YET", from a TRAINING RESOURCES and HISTORY of producing Big time talent with THE SKILLS.

It is simple why our girls don't get the same exposure, no need to head east to recruit. Plenty of players in their own back yard to recruit. That does not mean they are better players, just alot less expensive and easier to recruit these kids. I hope the coaches in this area start to realize our kids are just as good, I will put my 12 girls against anybody from the left coast.

 

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although i admire your ambition and the idea not sure it would work to many talented players dont have the money to travel like this you want to make ohio teams better i see that but really not a reasonable theory .now teams changing format and playing each other more i can see that and i am trying to do that with our team have spoken to various 12u coaches.i still have a couple girls a year that cant afford fees or travel i usually find sponsors to cover fee and sometimes travel with me.but your plan only involves elite wealthy kids if you want to build fastpitch get more girls involved go make some rec kids fall in love with the game so when they get older and more skilled they will pick softball over other sports.i really believe ohio will have a big burst in the next few years regardless partly because a lot of people are working at it.more girls attending clinics etc.i have watched some very talented players play in last few years seen some top teams play and i would make wager that 6 years from now the number of ohio players playing division 1 softball will increase significantly from what is now.everyone puts down all these people starting up new teams daddy ball whatever the bootom line is they are doing alot to build ohio softball searching scraping to find players taking on girls that may not be able to play on my team or yours but 2 or 3 years goes by and she turns out to be pretty good goes to clinics etc and now ohio has one more good player this is going on all over once she gets to that level where she is to good for that less competitive team she will go searchin maybe even get on ofc and the cycle works.taaaa daaaaa

 

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Doug your team is a prime example why we do not need to go out of state to get girls. I wish you guys the best of luck this year!!!!!

 

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I just like coaching and helping kids that want to learn myself. I do not need the best girls around to do this, just ones that want to play the game with passion. I believe there are plenty of girls in Ohio that can play at many different D-1 schools and yes I think some of these girls get over looked because the coaches look south or west but I think the main issue here is parents and some coaches. I do not know a girl that does'nt want to play on the best team but in reality if they are that good then make the team you are on one of the best. It is not the kids but usually the parents that think they need the best. If the kids like where they are at and what they are doing then why mess with them? Like I mentioned above, I am a coach that likes to teach girls that want to learn the game. I am not a coach that needs the best at everything and just sit back and watch. If the girls want more they will get it by going to camps, clinics and seeking one on one instruction.

That is a great mentality, but if that TEAM is not training the SKILLS a great player needs to develop and one has to then go obtain via Individual training with ELITE resources like HITTER, BIGTRAIN, BUSTOS, Kobata..... Then that great player becomes an INDIVIDUAL in the enormous see of talent out there.

The ENTIRE point here, is there ARE plenty of DDs with Talent, With Desire to TRAIN/DEVELOP ELITE SKILLS, but even in doing so, they get overlooked because they do not come FROM AN ELITE PROGRAM/PRODUCT were MOST shoppers are looking and expecting and relying on replentishing their programs with PROVEN PRODUCT.

 

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It is simple why our girls don't get the same exposure, no need to head east to recruit. Plenty of players in their own back yard to recruit. That does not mean they are better players, just alot less expensive and easier to recruit these kids. I hope the coaches in this area start to realize our kids are just as good, I will put my 12 girls against anybody from the left coast.

Agreed. And maybe 1 or 2 of them will get Major offers/opportunties, when in fact 4,5,6 probably should, assuming all the real skills development work ahead is done and with QUALITY/PROVEN instructors.

I think it's all about investment RISK/MANAGEMENT....

If I'm JoeA(College Coach....), do I go fishing where I know there is a heavily stocked # of keepers in which everyone in my conference fishes from each year and swears by it. Or do I spend lots of time tracking needles in Haystacks that have contacted me and sound like great recruits, and sound like they are what I'm looking for.

OH needs the HONEYHOLE where everything coming out of it is a KEEPER. Then once, the PROVEN/CERTIFIED product is noticed, all DDs in OH will get an upgrade in recruiting status, as OH will then be viewed as a hotbead for talent and those DDs that our Islands of talent now have a chance of receiving opportunities aligned with their skill/talents.

NO HONEYHOLE, NO CERTIFIED PRODUCT , NO ELITE OPPORTUNITIES.

I'm interested in developing THE HONEYHOLE, in which MANY ELITE COLLEGES across america wants to COME FISHING 1 Weekend out of the year. Once that occurs the Major, Minor, DII, DIII, and NAIA opportunities will increase and it will all FLOW Upwards.

Kids now getting DII, just might get D1 Money, D1 Minors become D1 Majors, and D1 Major recruits become ELITE RECRUITS.

We have several ELITE recruits right now in OHIO. Yes, Washington, Florida, ND, Michigan, NU.... Everyone of these DDs is receiving ELITE recruiting because they developed ELITE SKILLS from ELITE RESOURCES, That then had ELITE CONTACTS, that provided ELITE EXPOSURE, that now has ELITE OFFERS to be had.

Today, I'm pretty sure Lasers, Stingrays, Wave, Doom , ....... you name it. I don't believe any OH Org can remotely state they even have 1 kid receiving this type of attention. Are these ELITE OH Kids receiving ELITE EXPOSURE right now more talented. (I Doubt it...) Are they more SKILLED.(YES!) Do they have access to ELITE Contacts with ELITE EXPOSURE? (YES!)

The idea is to take this formula and develop something that creates these ELITE Opportunities for more then 3-4 OH Girls in a decade.

 

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Marketing, Marketing, Marketing. Do the programs in Ohio have a Marketing dept or marketing strategy to get these girls noticed. Does the coach have bond or repore with colleges. I know of one coach that understands marketing. I am sure there are more. But if your coach doesnt know these coaches, how in the heck is your dd suppose to get any help. It does matter; the travel coach could be the last link in getting a deal done. I have recieved a number of phone calls. "She plays SS for you, do you think she would move to 3rd for us." Open lines of communication. If a 16u or 18u coach is not doing some sort of marketing several times a week, then they are not doing enough. (obvious, the majority of the work is coming from the player/family)

Another part of marketing is websites. If you go to the websites on the front page. Half of them you cant find a contact number on the front page, half have out of date contact information. Half are cumbersome to navigate. These coaches receive 200-400 emails a day. They do not have the time to dilly dally on your website looking for info.

But a lot of the fault is with the coaches. They should realize that is part of the deal when they sign up to coach these girls into college. Just being honest, and will probably ruffle some feathers.

 

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Yeah, but that is the same in every state I have lived in (6 so far). Most parents think their DD is better than what they are. Those that want to work hard and improve their DD's performance put in the time and effort.

There is only 1 way to see if it will work. Do it. To do a 16U and an 18U, you only are looking for 20 - 26 girls in the entire state.

Try it and see what happens.

 

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Marketing, Marketing, Marketing. Do the programs in Ohio have a Marketing dept or marketing strategy to get these girls noticed. Does the coach have bond or repore with colleges. I know of one coach that understands marketing. I am sure there are more. But if your coach doesnt know these coaches, how in the heck is your dd suppose to get any help. It does matter; the travel coach could be the last link in getting a deal done. I have recieved a number of phone calls. "She plays SS for you, do you think she would move to 3rd for us." Open lines of communication. If a 16u or 18u coach is not doing some sort of marketing several times a week, then they are not doing enough. (obvious, the majority of the work is coming from the player/family)

Another part of marketing is websites. If you go to the websites on the front page. Half of them you cant find a contact number on the front page, half have out of date contact information. Half are cumbersome to navigate. These coaches receive 200-400 emails a day. They do not have the time to dilly dally on your website looking for info.

But a lot of the fault is with the coaches. They should realize that is part of the deal when they sign up to coach these girls into college. Just being honest, and will probably ruffle some feathers.

You are a marketing mad man......... want a part time job for another org?.......... lol

 

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OK, I have followed this topic for awhile and I have one questions, Do baseball parents have the same discussions. Maybe I am missing something but it seems like the midwest produces some pretty good talent for baseball even with the same weather. I took a quick peek @ OSU baseball roster and there is a ton of Buckeyes on that team.

And in the Big Picture nationally, Ohio St. baseball is not very good.

 

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The main difference betwen softball and baseball is that their is a baseball life after college. A great amount of athletes can actually plan on making baseball their career. What does softball have after college? A very small professional league that doesn't pay very much.

If you want to get people interested in improving the current softball structure, then you have to give them something else besides a college experience with an extremely slim chance of making a career out of it.

Take professional softball to the next level and then everything else will follow suit.

 

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Is it possible that some org's are doing what Trip is talking about it's just that it takes some time for that "brand recognition" to be built ? Every coach in the US (via the power of the internet) should know by now that if a girl came thru the Laser org (only for example ) , played in multiple asa nat's , and had good stats she is just as ready as any west coast kid ? And hopefully before too many years pass by the doom, intensity, and a few more will have that rep .

I know that grouping together the best of those teams would produce something not seen very often , an off the charts team, but there are so many logistical problems to doing it. Not saying or hoping it can't be done but So cal 's girls don't live 3 hours apart. or 4 . That has to be a legit concern , esp at those early developmental years, 10 and 12u. I know the older ones can meet and play with success but it's harder to do with the young ones , esp if those 12 kids are from diff parts of the state. MD