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No doubt. Little Miami's inability to pass a levy resulted in the district being placed in fiscal emergency by the state this past July.

The levy issue has been on the ballot seven times in the last 2-3 years, and has failed every time. It will be on the ballot again in May, but I don't see how it will pass, as the proposed mil rate will be even higher than it has been previously. It is a very real possibility that the district will end up being dissolved. In the meantime, the quality of the education drops as good teachers seek employment elsewhere, where the future holds more promise.

At this point I am very seriously considering moving, even though my property values have dropped off a cliff, and chances of finding a buyer are slim. Any good districts in SW Ohio looking for pitching?

ANDERSON TOWNSHIP! Turpin High School is the place to be. (say it to the music from Green Acres)
 
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No doubt. Little Miami's inability to pass a levy resulted in the district being placed in fiscal emergency by the state this past July.

The levy issue has been on the ballot seven times in the last 2-3 years, and has failed every time. It will be on the ballot again in May, but I don't see how it will pass, as the proposed mil rate will be even higher than it has been previously. It is a very real possibility that the district will end up being dissolved. In the meantime, the quality of the education drops as good teachers seek employment elsewhere, where the future holds more promise.

At this point I am very seriously considering moving, even though my property values have dropped off a cliff, and chances of finding a buyer are slim. Any good districts in SW Ohio looking for pitching?



Merlion: Did you go to the school district meeting at the Oasis Country Club on Saturday?

What it sounded like to me... is the the Little Miami School District would be divided into the other area districts... that being Blanchester, Clinton Massie, Goshen, Lebanon and Kings and based on where the STATE decided to divide it at.
 
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Ours is $0. :)

MS ball is club and has nothing to do with the school except share the same colors/nickname. They do let us use the gym for some practices and a field when not in use by var/jv. It was $40 per kid last year. No fundraisers and had 1 sponsor @ $150
 
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Merlion: Did you go to the school district meeting at the Oasis Country Club on Saturday?

What it sounded like to me... is the the Little Miami School District would be divided into the other area districts... that being Blanchester, Clinton Massie, Goshen, Lebanon and Kings and based on where the STATE decided to divide it at.

I was not able to make the meeting, but have gotten information on some of the discussions. One thing that was talked about was redistricting if it comes down to dissolution of the LM district.

Loveland was also included along with the other schools you mentioned as being districts the students may be sent to. I guess that the students cannot be forced upon the other districts either. A couple of the other districts have already stated that they would take whatever action necessary to not have to take them if it was attempted. There is an interesting article in the Pulse-Journal that covers the meeting.
 
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ANDERSON TOWNSHIP! Turpin High School is the place to be. (say it to the music from Green Acres)


"Tuuurrppin High School is the place to be,

Fine Eastside living is alright with me,

Land so tight with subdivisions far and wide,

Keep Little Miami.. just give me that non-country side" :p

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Little Miami is the place where I want to stay,

I get high smelling the next door neighbor's hay, ;)

I don't want that penthouse view,

Keep Turpin and give me the country news "



Doo, doo, doo, doo .. the chores

Doo, doo, doo, doo .. the mall stores

Doo, doo, doo, doo .. fresh air

Doo, doo, doo, doo .. wantabe Time Square


You are my wife,
Goodbye Country Life,
Turpin High School,
we are there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Parma Sr. High, Valley Forge High, and Normandy High Schools are all $1000.00 to play SOFTBALL
 
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I was not able to make the meeting, but have gotten information on some of the discussions. One thing that was talked about was redistricting if it comes down to dissolution of the LM district.

Loveland was also included along with the other schools you mentioned as being districts the students may be sent to. I guess that the students cannot be forced upon the other districts either. A couple of the other districts have already stated that they would take whatever action necessary to not have to take them if it was attempted. There is an interesting article in the Pulse-Journal that covers the meeting.

I forgot Loveland. I went to the meeting.. but no one was allowed to ask questions as the school board president said so in the beginning. Then the meeting quit about 45 early... and still no one was allowed to ask anything.

There's another meeting soon at the school soon.

It doesn't matter what the adjoining district want to do.. the STATE will do whatever is necessary to divide based on space at the other schools and then the property owners of the Little Miami district will pay the rates of the other school districts in real estate taxes.

Hope you are not closer to Clinton-Massie when it comes to that !!! Goshen is not terribly bad.. but people did get upset when they ( the school board ) split the millage around and add 10 years without a vote and then paid for new tennis courts, football field, softball ball fields out of some of that money.

I think Loveland is going up for a vote in May for new taxes for the school.
 
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"Tuuurrppin High School is the place to be,

Fine Eastside living is alright with me,

Land so tight with subdivisions far and wide,

Keep Little Miami.. just give me that non-country side" :p

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Little Miami is the place where I want to stay,

I get high smelling the next door neighbor's hay, ;)

I don't want that penthouse view,

Keep Turpin and give me the country news "



Doo, doo, doo, doo .. the chores

Doo, doo, doo, doo .. the mall stores

Doo, doo, doo, doo .. fresh air

Doo, doo, doo, doo .. wantabe Time Square


You are my wife,
Goodbye Country Life,
Turpin High School,
we are there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao: We're showing our age. The youngsters that don't know the show or song won't get this. Green Acres and Petticoat Junction. My old fav's haha

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Fairborn $ 150.00. One thousand dollars is unbelievable for school sports, I have no idea how families can pay that kind of money.
 
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It doesn't matter what the adjoining district want to do.. the STATE will do whatever is necessary to divide based on space at the other schools and then the property owners of the Little Miami district will pay the rates of the other school districts in real estate taxes.

That's not the story the way the Pulse-Journal tells it. Here is what was in today's edition:

"Lebanon school officials said a district cannot be forced to absorb part of another district, according to current laws. The receiving district would have to agree to dozens of conditions, like absorbing debt and having the capacity to absorb additional students, and Lebanon schools would not agree to many of those conditions, said Lebanon schools Superintendent Mark North."

Loveland has previously said that they would oppose having to accept Little Miami students, and would take any and all action necessary to prevent it. You can see where this whole mess could very easily end up in the courts before all is said and done.

You do bring up an interesting point though, and one that I feel is lost on many LM voters. That point is, if a district dissolution does happen, then whatever district you end up in after the redistricting, you will pay the taxes of that new district. Without being able to vote on it. So ironically, you could end up paying a higher millage rate in the end because of not passing the levies that you have been asked to repeatedly.
 
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Had the parents meeting last night with Norwalk`s varsity coach. Our cost will be $35 for the 2011 season.
I can handle that!
 
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At this point I am very seriously considering moving, even though my property values have dropped off a cliff, and chances of finding a buyer are slim. Any good districts in SW Ohio looking for pitching?


Boy Middletown could use some pitching. Tons of talent but not much pitching. Brand new coach this year from Miami Univeristy too!! :yahoo:
 
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That's not the story the way the Pulse-Journal tells it. Here is what was in today's edition:

"Lebanon school officials said a district cannot be forced to absorb part of another district, according to current laws. The receiving district would have to agree to dozens of conditions, like absorbing debt and having the capacity to absorb additional students, and Lebanon schools would not agree to many of those conditions, said Lebanon schools Superintendent Mark North."

Loveland has previously said that they would oppose having to accept Little Miami students, and would take any and all action necessary to prevent it. You can see where this whole mess could very easily end up in the courts before all is said and done.

You do bring up an interesting point though, and one that I feel is lost on many LM voters. That point is, if a district dissolution does happen, then whatever district you end up in after the redistricting, you will pay the taxes of that new district. Without being able to vote on it. So ironically, you could end up paying a higher millage rate in the end because of not passing the levies that you have been asked to repeatedly.

Hmm. Is Mason part of the redistricting? Don't they send limo's to pick up all of their students. Just kidding, but until recently they passed each and every one of their levies. Their school is like the Taj Mahal.
 
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Volleybal = $18,300 / S#cc#r = $19,000 / Basketball = $26,000 / Wrestling = $26,500 / Hockey = $13,500 / Cheerleading = $10,900 / Swimming $18,000? / Track = $20,500 / Baseball = $17,800 / Softball = $16,500 / Tennis = $13,650 / AND THE BIG ONE FOOTBALL IS = $66,700

These are all per team cost divided by how many players on each team = cost per player.... Now you think you have it bad...
 
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That's not the story the way the Pulse-Journal tells it. Here is what was in today's edition:

"Lebanon school officials said a district cannot be forced to absorb part of another district, according to current laws. The receiving district would have to agree to dozens of conditions, like absorbing debt and having the capacity to absorb additional students, and Lebanon schools would not agree to many of those conditions, said Lebanon schools Superintendent Mark North."

Loveland has previously said that they would oppose having to accept Little Miami students, and would take any and all action necessary to prevent it. You can see where this whole mess could very easily end up in the courts before all is said and done.

You do bring up an interesting point though, and one that I feel is lost on many LM voters. That point is, if a district dissolution does happen, then whatever district you end up in after the redistricting, you will pay the taxes of that new district. Without being able to vote on it. So ironically, you could end up paying a higher millage rate in the end because of not passing the levies that you have been asked to repeatedly.

The Legislature is already getting ready to change the law from what I hear. They will divide the district and the homeowner of the Little Miami district will assume the tax rate of the new tax district they fall into under the new redistricting.

Of course, you can pay for the DD to go to the school of her choice as well. In that case, I think you still pay the redistricting tax rate.

I lived outside of Blanchester awhile back when their levy was going up for vote. They was looking for a levy to match state funds to build their new school building.. which they desparately needed. I voted yes and it shot my property value up when it passed... Seriously, it did.

Clinton-Massie keeps passing their operating levy for their school. I went out there for a football game this year. the first playoff game against Cincy Taft. I had been back there in years. WOW.

What I see the problem in Little Miami is the fact that they passed a levy to build the new schools ... now they needed a levy to pass to pay for the operation of their new schools. The back to back "hit" on the taxpayer was misunderstood by many. I just think they could have not paid so much for building the school ( MANY COST OVERRIDES HAPPENED ) and kept back some of the funds from the first levy to operate it.

That is what Blanchester did and it seemed to work for them. My first question when I went to the "pre-levy meeting" was:

"Is this levy being used to build a school with enough room for classroom expansion in the next five years?" (YES)

"Are you board members going to strictly watch the cost overrides?" (YES)

"Are you going to come back to me, as a taxpayer, in a couple of years and ask for an operating levy?" (NO)

"If there is cost overrides, are you going to spend the money on those overrides or cut costs somewhere else in the building of said new school?
( If there is cost overrides, we will cut down on the square footage of the size of the new building versus spending extra money )

After that answer, I said, " I'll vote for it then as a person that has no children in this district. Obviously, we need new schools as the ones we have are falling in. If it is not right now, it will be later on down the road when it cost EVEN more", and I walked away and out the door. This was after three hours of listening to people asking dumb stuff over and over.

My point with Little Miami, is the people didn't ask the questions needed to understand the process and the board elected to their posts are just parents without a clue about business.

That's where Little Miami's problem lies ... too many cost overrides and people not understanding when you build the big school.. you got to have funds to run the place !!! Back to back levies ( one for building and one for operations ) just confused the people of the district and the school board is to blame for them having that lack of knowledge for they were not "HONEST" with the people. Thus, their taxpayers who support them stopped supporting them.

The best thing for Little Miami and their students would be if the whole board resigned and start new. Because nobody trusts them now. If the taxpayers can't trust the board..then that new levy will NEVER get passed.

I feel for you Merlion. I do. Rock and a hard place comes to mind.
 
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Volleybal = $18,300 / S#cc#r = $19,000 / Basketball = $26,000 / Wrestling = $26,500 / Hockey = $13,500 / Cheerleading = $10,900 / Swimming $18,000? / Track = $20,500 / Baseball = $17,800 / Softball = $16,500 / Tennis = $13,650 / AND THE BIG ONE FOOTBALL IS = $66,700

These are all per team cost divided by how many players on each team = cost per player.... Now you think you have it bad...

how do they come up with that ?
coaches salary plus what ?
 
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What I see the problem in Little Miami is the fact that they passed a levy to build the new schools ... now they needed a levy to pass to pay for the operation of their new schools. The back to back "hit" on the taxpayer was misunderstood by many. I just think they could have not paid so much for building the school ( MANY COST OVERRIDES HAPPENED ) and kept back some of the funds from the first levy to operate it.

The funds ($62.5 million) for the construction of the new schools, came from the passing of a bond issue (another form of levy). The funds from a bond issue CAN NOT be used for operating expenses.

Here is more on the issue:

Q. Wasn't there a plan in place to fund the two new school buildings?

A. During the 2006 Bond Issue campaign, the district was very honest about the fact that they were going to need to come back to voters with a separate levy for operating monies.
In 2006, the Board of Education voted to roll back the remaining portion of an operating levy that had passed in 2002, saving taxpayers money. This took Little Miami to what is called the 20-mill floor, meaning that the district was operating at the lowest millage allowable by Ohio law to still qualify for state funding. The rollback was part of a great plan to take full advantage of available state funding, in particular, a piece called ?Gap Aid.? This plan should have enabled Little Miami to open and operate the new buildings, as well as to stay off the ballot for new operational monies until 2009.
Unfortunately, when the state?s biennial budget was announced in February of 2008, the funding formula had changed yet again: Gap Aid was discontinued. The result caused a projected $6 million loss for Little Miami over the next two years, and forced the district back to the ballot in November of 2008.

The above Q & A is an excerpt from the following site:

http://supportlittlemiamischools.org/oldpantherpride/myths_print.html

My point with Little Miami, is the people didn't ask the questions needed to understand the process and the board elected to their posts are just parents without a clue about business.

That's where Little Miami's problem lies ... too many cost overrides and people not understanding when you build the big school.. you got to have funds to run the place !!! Back to back levies ( one for building and one for operations ) just confused the people of the district and the school board is to blame for them having that lack of knowledge for they were not "HONEST" with the people. Thus, their taxpayers who support them stopped supporting them.

I cannot speak to the honesty of the school board, but I feel it is the sign of a responsible voter to educate themselves on the issues prior to voting. As you have pointed out, the board memebers were ELECTED, not appointed. The democratic process ran its course, and these people were who was chosen by the voters.

If people were confused, it was their own fault in my opinion. Chances are they were just too lazy to seek out the information that was available to them. I think in a lot of cases it was looked at like "if it means higher taxes for me, forget it."

The last operating levy that was passed was in 2002, and it was allowed to end early, in part, due to the bond issue being passed. That dropped the millage rate to the allowed "floor" of 20 mils.

More good info is available here:

http://gems.littlemiamischools.com/construction/QAnewsletter.pdf

The best thing for Little Miami and their students would be if the whole board resigned and start new. Because nobody trusts them now. If the taxpayers can't trust the board..then that new levy will NEVER get passed.

That's a pretty broad statement. So, let's just throw the baby out with the bathwater? LOL. An interesting observation was made by the state when their people came into the picture during the course of the district being placed on fiscal watch, and then fiscal emergency. They said they had never seen a situation like this before. Usually, they come in and make cuts in an attempt to "right the ship", but in this case the district was ahead of them, and had been making the cuts they normally would ahead of time. There was literally almost nothing left for them to recommend. There are going to be a few more teacher positions cut, the academics will be cut to state minimums (sad for students, especially those with an eye on going to college), and the closure of one more building. Here's the real kicker though - the state's recommendation to get the district out of the situation? PASS A LEVY!!!!! Wow, why didn't we think of that before? :lmao:

Sorry for the hijack....and we now return you to your regulary scheduled topic -pay per play @ your school.
 
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Merlion, I hear recruiting is OK in OHIO ... keep your ears open for the 'private' recruiters that don't exist...:cool::lmao:
 

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