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We get it. You don't like Hillhouse.
We get it. You don't like Hillhouse.
I have read through this thread and I could not find anywhere where Thunder's Dad said anything about not liking Hillhouse, all he said was when someone preaches absolutes there is a problem. I also feel like he does, I can not find any videos of the great pitchers that we all agree are the best, Finch, Abbott, Osterman, Michele Smith, Lisa Fernandez that finish across their body. When you want to be the best you emulate the best, if I wanted to be a great hitter you would start with films of Crystal Bustos, if I wanted to be a great pitcher I would start with the names above. I must admit that I get angry when teachers/friends of mine get slammed on this forum for not teaching a "style" that is yet to be proven on the big stage, if you get my drift.
Eric, respectfully I'm going to have to disagree with the comment that Hillhouse's "style" has yet to be proven on the big stage as Hillhouse/Gillis have pitched at the highest level of men's fastpitch in the world. Some would argue that the men are the best pitcher's in the world as well. That is neither here nor there.
Where did I attack or make fun of anyone on this forum? I'm tired of the straw man arguments, misleading statements, and taking things out of context.
Bill encourages people to compare video of the best in the world, including all of the names above. I have yet to see one single instance of game footage of any of the mentioned names finish by pointing their elbow at the catcher.
I have been to see Bill Hillhouse, listened to what he had to say and I certainly respect what he has done in Mens fast pitch. Where I draw the line is when he speaks in absolutes, I was very clear about that. I never said you attacked or made fun of anyone, I just stated that Thunder's Dad never said he did not like Hillhouse. My DD goes to a Pitching Coach that does not teach Bills style and her Resume speaks for itself, to say that she is wrong in what she has been teaching for years is ludicrous. Nice pictures but I still don't see what you must see so I am fine with agreeing to disagree, that's what makes life interesting. It wouldn't be much fun to be an Ohio State fan if there weren't Michigan fans, right. One other thing, there are major differences in the physical structure of a man and the physical structure of a woman, I choose to trust the health of my DD to someone who can understand what she is feeling, JMHO.
I have no intention of fanning the flames anymore. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say, "You disagree with Bill, we get it."
Nobody but you mentioned your DD's instructor. I'm glad you are happy with her and trust her. I trust that the mechanics that I have learned from Bill Hillhouse, Doug Gillis, and others are also bio-mechanically sound.
Where can you get a good and accurate radar gun at? Saw one at Dunhams a few months ago for around $130, which Im not sure if it is a good brand or price.
Any suggestions on brands and where abouts?
Thanks in advance!
The pot is spinning good now!
cshilt- the top two images you posted are the pitchers position at the snap. The hips are open and they are snapping toward the target. That is hardly a groundbreaking epiphany, and I have never seen or heard of any pitching coach not teaching to snap toward the target. All except Michelle Smith at the bottom left and possibly Fernandez at the bottom right, they are throwing curveballs, and we have already discussed Hillhouses' negative feelings about those completely ineffective pitches.
Hillhouse states that you MUST finish with your hand across the body to the opposite shoulder, not "it's OK if you finish with your fingers just above the belly button", or with your hand along the midline of your body. He leaves no wiggle room on any of his statements, which is what I have contested with my posts. The pictures that you posted support neither the straight up, nor the across the body style because they are taken at the snap of the ball and not at the finish of the pitch. I'm not saying finishing across the body is wrong either. If it works for your dd, phenomenal! Just making the statement that it is a style choice as opposed to an absolute as to where the hand finishes.
I also don't know what pitch Lisa Fernandez is throwing in the big picture, but that is a huge chicken wing and most pitching coaches cringe when they see that. (Probably one of the biggest injury causing mechanical flaws in pitching. My opinion, no facts/figures on this one.) It looks like she is trying to touch her nose with her tounge and punch the snot out of her glove!
It is really hard to find pictures of the pitchers at the finish of the pitch. It is even harder to find a picture of a top level pitcher, at the finish of the pitch, throwing a fastball. I just spent the last hour and a half looking at google images. Images did not upload for some reason, I posted links to the sites they were from, hopefully not too confusing, you will need to scroll down on a couple of them.
Those pitchers look to me like they have just released a curve ball. Sure the hand will be crossing over on that pitch. Why? because they are not crossing up and over. The high elbow on Fernandez happened normally when she threw one of her many variations of a change up.Eric, respectfully I'm going to have to disagree with the comment that Hillhouse's "style" has yet to be proven on the big stage as Hillhouse/Gillis have pitched at the highest level of men's fastpitch in the world. Some would argue that the men are the best pitcher's in the world as well. That is neither here nor there.
Where did I attack or make fun of anyone on this forum? I'm tired of the straw man arguments, misleading statements, and taking things out of context.
Bill encourages people to compare video of the best in the world, including all of the names above. I have yet to see one single instance of game footage of any of the mentioned names finish by pointing their elbow at the catcher.
Exactly my point.Wow punch, Cat throws a lot of curve ball in that Vid too, according to Hillhouse, that is not good. You can't throw a pitch that stays on the same plane. Her follow through is not very good either. Just think how good cat could have been had she not had that curve and her follow through was the "Hillhouse Way".....Cat would have been a lot better......
Those pitchers look to me like they have just released a curve ball. Sure the hand will be crossing over on that pitch. Why? because they are not crossing up and over. The high elbow on Fernandez happened normally when she threw one of her many variations of a change up.
Now that is a cheap shot. Michelle Smith Finch, Fernandez and Finch obviously do not follow Bills methods and they are "THE BEST EVER." That means without using Bills methods they have somehow endured flawed techniques???I have no intention of fanning the flames anymore. Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say, "You disagree with Bill, we get it."
Nobody but you mentioned your DD's instructor. I'm glad you are happy with her and trust her. I trust that the mechanics that I have learned from Bill Hillhouse, Doug Gillis, and others are also bio-mechanically sound.