Rumor Control: ASA Backdoor Tactics

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I asked Jim Wharton the other day at the I270 meeting about these two isues and here is what he had to say. ( Jim is central Ohio ASA director or something to that effect) He said that ASA is going toward the background checks, but at this point they are only requiered at Nationals??? He also said that ASA insurance is not required to play in ASA tourneys.. He made it very clear that he was not happy about ASA's push towards this. but as it is now, for around here, you still have the option of the background check based on which type of insurance you buy... Hope that helps

 

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Thanks Crush1, Did he mention if the checks are required for regional nationals (is that an oxymoron or what) or only required for the ASA/USA national.

 

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He did not state that specifically , but I took it as any Nationals... I can get you his contact info if you need it. He sees it as the same as everyone else I think,. that it is just a litle money maker for ASA.

Here is the question that he really did not know about.. What if you have another type of Insurance?? Then how s ASA going to get your background check???? He did not know. I think this is where the idea of haveing to have ASA insurance to play ASA came about. Which it sounds like ASA might be trying to pull. Jim and Warren are fighting it according to Jim..

 

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I think ASA will try to pass it off on their TD's to require it .... instead of the National office making it mandatory by national standards when it comes to insurance being required to play in ASA events.... based on two things: anti-trust issues and making teams mad about it.

 

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I don't see how they can make TDs require it. Maybe the lawer types can chime in but it seems like once you require checks you assume some liability if a checked out person goes bad. I can just hear some parent suing a TD saying "You checked out his guy and said he is OK and he flashed my DD in the parking lot."

 

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good point ringor.. ( did I just say that) kind of a reverse liability.. Oh well, I think it is all kinda up in the air still

 

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I don't see how they can make TDs require it. Maybe the lawer types can chime in but it seems like once you require checks you assume some liability if a checked out person goes bad. I can just hear some parent suing a TD saying "You checked out his guy and said he is OK and he flashed my DD in the parking lot."

That is way to much pressure to put on TD's. They would need to buy extra Insurance to cover this problem.

Maybe ASA is going to sell that insurance to. (as an option)

 

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Ok, I will now post you exactly what Warren Jones responded to me today with, when I emailed him about these questions and about renewing our insurance... Wait till you read this one!!!!

If you play in any tournament that leads to a National Tournament you have to have 1 coach Ace certified. This is new this year. Along with the Ace certification you will get a background check. Remember only one coach has to do this. Let me know when you want to get insurance and I will be glad to help you. Thanks



Warren Jones

Ohio Amateur Softball Association

810 Township Road 1504

Ashland Ohio 44805

419 651-3335

www.ohioasasoftball.org

I looked all over ASA website and found a news release about the ACE program, but it did not mention that it was required as of yet. I am sharing this with everyone, because maybe it is something in the motions and if we let everyone know about it now it either 1) will not be a surprise and teams will not get left out or 2) with enough concern from the right people it will not come to pass..

I urge everyone to find out as much as you can about this so we can squash any rumors or be completely clarified!!!!

 

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Is playing ASA really really worth all this? Why not play PONY, NSA, IFA etc? It seems that ASA has always been more about money and power than the kid's. JMHO

 

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ACE program is up and running as of yesterday. Go to http://www.ace.usasoftball.com.

ACE certification is only required if you plan on playing in any National Championship in 2009. One coach per team.

 

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Is playing ASA really really worth all this? Why not play PONY, NSA, IFA etc? It seems that ASA has always been more about money and power than the kid's. JMHO

I agree! I have the ACE Certification, and I'am required a Background Check for my place of Employment, and I'm "New" to the Travel scene. Right or Wrong! we are Registering with IFA. $130.00 Bucks, and the whole Team is Insured and the girls get to play ball. What more would a Team want?




FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!

 

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And I would assume getting the ACE certification has a price tag attached?

 

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And I would assume getting the ACE certification has a price tag attached?

Yep! It's a Money thing ;& Got a nice certificate hanging on the wall!



FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!

 

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Just received my registration and insurance cards this week, no background checks or SS #'s required. My personal experience with Warren has been exceptional to say the least. He keeps it simple, just the way I like it.

Bill Harder
Ice-Silver

 

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And I would assume getting the ACE certification has a price tag attached?

$25 for Level 1 Certification. $20 each for Level 2, 3, and Continuing Education.

Level 1 takes a little under 1 hour to complete.

 

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Just received my registration and insurance cards this week, no background checks or SS #'s required. My personal experience with Warren has been exceptional to say the least. He keeps it simple, just the way I like it.

Bill Harder
Ice-Silver

same for me. Warren is great to deal with.

 

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I'm waiting for the answers to a few questions so I can post all of the pertinent details, but the ruling coming out of the National office, and being delivered by Warren (I'm trying not to shoot the messenger) is that to participate in any Qualifier or National tournament at least one coach in the dugout must be ASA ACE certified. Part of that certification is a requirement to submit to a background check and furnish your SS#, Driver's License #, and date of birth.

 

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Tuesday night I went to the ASA meeting for the summer Dayton double header league......I specifically asked Shorty Brewer about Insurance....Ace Certification, and background checks....the following was reported direct from his mouth.......our 5 week league fee of $335.00 includes one ACE certification which he says is required if anyone is planning on playing in any ASA tournaments.....for $25.00 additional ACE certification is available but only one person on the team needs to be certified......two background checks are included in the league fee and anyone else in the dugout including scorekeepers will need background checks at a cost of $7.00 each, Shorty also stated that as long as the team carries insurance of any kind they are good to go, however he stated that ASA individual player insurance is the best deal going and invited all to do a comparison...but no....ASA does not require your insurance to be ASA......you simply must either have team insurance or individual insurance on every player. Direct from the horses mouth....oh by the way he also said for 2010 the 16/18 ASA Nationals will be held in Dayton, OH. for those interested.

 

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Confused!!!!!!

I just got my confirmation from Warren with ASA regarding registration and insurance for my team. This registration included a background check ( that did include SS#, Drivers Lis. # and date of birth) and price wise it is VERY AFFORDABLE. My only concern with any type of insurance is the coverage dates. Our is Jan1 to Dec 31st 2009, which right now it is alright, but 99% of us have tryouts and form teams in August. Play in Fall Ball leagues and Tourneys practice on weekends. And even play in indoor league starting in Nov. Most teams always have new players from year to year. Question??? Are the new players covered under the team insurance or are most of us "EXPOSED " to liability???

ASA and Bollinger should address this issue. I have had this concern in previous season and was reassured that the new players would be covered under their previous teams insurance. So that lead to another question of " wondering" liability with released players???

I have heard from one tournament directer about having to get ACE certified. My question is since ASA has already done a background check with insurance so will I have to go thru this again for the ACE certification??????

Thanks
Bill White
16U Valley Extreme Blue

 

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Funny how one state and another is different. Illinois still has the insurance thing on their website. Talking with Michigan teams as well at www.michigan-fastpitch.com and they still say the TD's are requiring ASA insurance to enter their events in Michigan.

Is the 16/18 a "B" or and "A" tournament in Dayton. It must be a East Regional National. I think the North 16u is in Bowling Green, Kentucky in 2010. I'm think that is what Brenda Petty , ASA Bowling Green, told me.. as I am out looking to place the IFA 14u and 10u Nationals for 2010 right now and have some letters out.