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No Prob Kate !! Just throwing info out there k !! 
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Should these be required in OFC Tournament Listings or Descriptions?
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Musty:
You're allowed. The Casey issue was a throw-away.
You're allowed. The Casey issue was a throw-away.
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seriously? union field workers? thats like unionized pizza delivery guys
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Would that be the UFW ?
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I would have thought each and everyone of the above would be in the packet.....being that 92% percent of Ohio tournaments is run by orgs... the grounds crew provided at org tournaments must be a tremendous amount in reality. Diamond dry should always be on hand. Goshen has their own which I purchase from them to use when needed. Usually two or three skids there and I want it bumped up to four actually.
And two umps on all fields on all ages .. unless like some are doing having one umpire and charging less entry fee. It's open and it's out there for teams to decide in that case.
Grills in city parks of course is whatever. Grills in private parks can't be allowed due to insurance. Orgs should ask parks they use and RENT for their events if grilling is covered under their insurance because site insurance does not cover that at all. So this is the why private parks are not allowing it.
Tournament profit is made from the concession stand. Bottom line.
For orgs, tournaments are fundraisers. Money from entry fees pay umpires, balls, sanctioning of the tournament AND teams and it goes back to the association (ASA USSSA, NSA, etc...) Some fees are high actually and getting higher ( see $350.00 UIC charge and motel for two nights).
Trophy costs or prizes such as jackets, hoodies combo with trophies for second etc.. ( understand this is still coming out of the tournament fees )
and now diamond dry costs.
Now, where is someone suppose to come up with the cost of bags and bags of diamond dry ? Especially if you got 8 plus fields going ? Where's that money come from? How about light money for field lights? Ask yourself that.... There's still little costs in all that as well coming out of the entry fees.. like phone bill, mailing costs, etc.... the cost of doing softball tournaments.
As for unions, I'm a union person as I grew up in a union steward's home.
But cities with union department workers can vary actually. For instance... Wilmington... union department and their attitude is you can have anyone you want work on the fields and the reason being is the workers don't want any overtime or work the weekends at all...:lmao: So no worry there. They let you use their equipment.. at least I have used it since 1984.
Chillicothe - union . The story differs here. Union workers only. Convention and Visitors Bureau paid for union workers ( four of them) at my tournament. Saving to keep entry fees low..$1200 plus dollars for two days in union wages ( Uniform Blowout - 2008 ).
Obviously, the more teams you got.. you really don't have to charge a gate as entry fee money ( with a huge amount of teams) can be covered diamond dry by entry fee money..... sometimes it can't. Matters the size of the tournament.
Pool play does matter.. I've never understood people's thinking it doesn't actually. Pool play gives you a good seed and I'd rather be a Number #1 seed versus a #5 or #6 facing a number one seed either in a single elimination or even a double elimination. So, two umpires are important for these games. Pool play can be the difference on how your tournament elinimation is going to start... and some instances how gold or silver bracket beginings is decided.
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I ditto the grounds crew at Goshen. They are learning what it takes to run elite tournaments for TD's and adapting themselves to cover anything that arises.
Great bunch of guys and gals.. all volunteers for their community... and pride themselves on "their" fields.
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As usual, the suggestions made here are eminently reasonable, and make sense. We don't bring our two wonderdogs to the park very often, but our oldest dd brings her puppy, and she serves to bring the little kids out and we get to meet more wonderful people.
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Get good directions to the parks. Especially good address so you can send the dds out with their gps to get them there on time.
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All of the info would be in tourney packets. The poll question was what should be in the brief OFC tourney listing. Of the things listed, a simple field and code I think would be helpful for Friday games start time (Time noon, 6:00 etc), parking/gate fee (simple $ sign). The OFC list is for a quick start.
For any tourney being considered the coach would have the entire packet and know everything before signing up. If one is absulating avoiding Friday day games and parking/gate fees, then the codes would be a quick way to avoid looking any more into those ones.
Another item not on the list would be a way the TD's could load the tourney packet onto OFC. Although most have websites, some do not and this would make it even easier to get the registration info.
For any tourney being considered the coach would have the entire packet and know everything before signing up. If one is absulating avoiding Friday day games and parking/gate fees, then the codes would be a quick way to avoid looking any more into those ones.
Another item not on the list would be a way the TD's could load the tourney packet onto OFC. Although most have websites, some do not and this would make it even easier to get the registration info.
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ngill: that's pretty much the direction that I was headed.
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Another thing I need to know sometimes is at what age do the gate fees apply. Children under what age free sometimes there is a reduced rate for senior citizens. This is always useful for me.
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It would also be nice if the fields could be rated for drainage, fences, dugouts (covered or not), and warm up space.
I now know never to book our team at any tourneys that use those Perry fields in Norwich. Nice looking diamonds but absolutely no warm up space with four games in progress.
I now know never to book our team at any tourneys that use those Perry fields in Norwich. Nice looking diamonds but absolutely no warm up space with four games in progress.
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i see the future of the OFC combining the old rating system with a sticky-note type of information system, especially with the tournaments that have been established year in and year out, from showcases to regional qualifiers on everything that we've been asking for here..like a one stop shopping...of course, i still think it would be more fan-based than coach-based, because the respective teams probably have the same tourneys year in and year out they like to attend from past experiences or for a variety of reasons. typically, an established team would most likely play mirror seasons of themselves, despite the moaning from their parent base
like winter ball, there are only so many options. the parents hate/love certain places but the team goes every year. and how much pull do the parents have anyway on what tourneys to attend? i cant see coaches polling their parents on what tourneys they should attend--too many cooks in the kitchen. plus, the ones who bark the loudest wear different uniforms year after year
like winter ball, there are only so many options. the parents hate/love certain places but the team goes every year. and how much pull do the parents have anyway on what tourneys to attend? i cant see coaches polling their parents on what tourneys they should attend--too many cooks in the kitchen. plus, the ones who bark the loudest wear different uniforms year after year
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Many orgs do go to the same tournament year after year... kind of those "you come to mine and I'll go to your's" type of thing.
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So, your thoughts?---would a checklist something like this be unreasonable for TDs/Organizations putting on a tournament to answer and post for everyone?
(answers might help some make their decisions)
OFC Tournament Checklist:
Tournament Director will be on site y/n
Will use OFC for timely updates/delays/cancellations y/n
Gate fee y/n amt___
Parking fee y/n amt___
Friday play y/n earliest time___
Number of teams at each age allowed #___
Two umps each game y/n
Coolers w/drinks allowed y/n
Coolers w/food allowed y/n
Pets allowed y/n
Playground for siblings y/n
Warm up areas avail y/n
Camping/RV allowed on site or nearby y/n
Grills allowed y/n
Fields run by city y/n
Diamonds lined each game y/n
How many grounds crew guaranteed if rain #___
Volunteers allowed to help with fields if needed y/n
How much field dry avail #___
Prorated refunds depending on # of games/innings played y/n
(answers might help some make their decisions)
OFC Tournament Checklist:
Tournament Director will be on site y/n
Will use OFC for timely updates/delays/cancellations y/n
Gate fee y/n amt___
Parking fee y/n amt___
Friday play y/n earliest time___
Number of teams at each age allowed #___
Two umps each game y/n
Coolers w/drinks allowed y/n
Coolers w/food allowed y/n
Pets allowed y/n
Playground for siblings y/n
Warm up areas avail y/n
Camping/RV allowed on site or nearby y/n
Grills allowed y/n
Fields run by city y/n
Diamonds lined each game y/n
How many grounds crew guaranteed if rain #___
Volunteers allowed to help with fields if needed y/n
How much field dry avail #___
Prorated refunds depending on # of games/innings played y/n
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Sue, I'm with you through the question preceding the pets. I think it becomes too cumbersome to get everything into the OFC posting. As gnail said, the OFC posting is the shortcut to allow each team to create a list of tournaments to explore further.
Virtually of the information that you identify probably SHOULD be included in the tournament information/packet on each tournament's web site.
Virtually of the information that you identify probably SHOULD be included in the tournament information/packet on each tournament's web site.
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Ditto! I just get anxious when I don't know exactly where I'm going anymore.
As an aside: I asked my GPS for directions to "shopping" this weekend and couldn't find a walmart.. but I'd heard there was one. I decided to look for Gas, and a BP popped up, so I selected that destination .. Took me to an abandoned lot!
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You're right about the brevity, Carol. And also correct that most of this should be addressed in a tourney packet---have most coaches found that it has been up to now?
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Need something in the ratings about communication.
I'm getting really tired of asking and asking for a schedule to tournaments and getting them two days before the thing starts. There's no excuse for this. Parents and older players need to be able to schedule time off from work, book hotel rooms, and arrange for transportation.
I can only imagine that some TD's are so afraid of leaving another few bucks on the table and hoping they get late additions. Need a cutoff date and no reason to not have a schedule out at least two weeks ahead of time, if not even more than that.
I'm getting really tired of asking and asking for a schedule to tournaments and getting them two days before the thing starts. There's no excuse for this. Parents and older players need to be able to schedule time off from work, book hotel rooms, and arrange for transportation.
I can only imagine that some TD's are so afraid of leaving another few bucks on the table and hoping they get late additions. Need a cutoff date and no reason to not have a schedule out at least two weeks ahead of time, if not even more than that.
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I don't understand the need for this type of questionaire. What happened to coaches being responsible for gathering information and passing it on to his/her team?
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