Pitching and Pitchers Discussion The secret to a rise ball

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For all of you who think a rise ball can rise check this out. www.pitchsoftball.com/riseballsecrets.html

 

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Don't think you're going to find too many in disagreement on this. That being said, is there a rule disallowing the use of a fan to help cool the catcher from behind, say about 35-40 MPH?

 

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For every link you post that says a rise ball cannot rise, someone else will post links that say they do rise.

 

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That may be the best post I have seen in a long time.

so many kids pitching coaches sell them on the rise, even though when you put the tape on the ball it spins like a helicopter

 

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Don't think you're going to find too many in disagreement on this. That being said, is there a rule disallowing the use of a fan to help cool the catcher from behind, say about 35-40 MPH?

It would be cooling the ump too so they might not rule against it.

 

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It would be cooling the ump too so they might not rule against it.

As long as I can hear myself think... I'm fine with that idea. One for me and one for the catcher is the actual ideal situation in my mind.

 

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Would we then need to institute a rule prohibiting Blue from "breaking wind"? This action could put the entire defense on IR!

 

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For every link you post that says a rise ball cannot rise, someone else will post links that say they do rise.

It's not that the ball rises, it's that the earth is getting lower.

 

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Had another thought. If a pitcher throws a legitimate rise ball into a 40 MPH head wind, does the pitch become a rising changeup?

 

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Ump breaking wind would constitute a " do-over" according to the rules in any sanctioning body.... giving the umpire the right to make it a "fair game" without any disadvantages to one team or the other.

Rule 10 in USSSA - Umpire's Rule. We call it the "God Rule". I can do anything I want to make the game fair"

 

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Don't think you're going to find too many in disagreement on this. That being said, is there a rule disallowing the use of a fan to help cool the catcher from behind, say about 35-40 MPH?

I could see the need for a Space Heater at those late March early April H.S. Games to warm the umps and catchers from behind. Ok! All Hot Air Jokes are Forbidden :lmao::lmao:


FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!

 

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For every link you post that says a rise ball cannot rise, someone else will post links that say they do rise.

You are correct. However anyone who makes a post stating a rise ball doesn't rise can back it up with physics and mathematics to prove that it is humanly impossible. If you take the Magnus force on top of the ball and the force of gravity working against that the numbers show that the ball would have to be traveling in excess of 90 mph spinning at 35 rps just to counter the force of gravity. That is a proven fact.

Those who post and say that the rise ball rises, back their claim up with the old "because I saw it happen". LOL.

I just happen upon this the other day. Anyone here ever heard of Michelle Smith (LOL)? Well this is her deminstrating a rise ball. Note this leaves no doubt, so all of you that post that you've seen a rise ball actually rise put this in your favorites and review it before you post something like that again Michelle Smith's rise ball on the link is 4 rows down on the left side of the page.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.acessoftball.com/videos/Pitching/Lorrie%2520Harrigan/Lori%2520Harrigan%2520-%2520Rise%2520Ball.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.acessoftball.com/Tips/Pitching/pitching.htm&usg=__tvmggXMG04C3Y2KyOs8-Y6fbpRQ=&h=240&w=352&sz=33&hl=en&start=12&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=u6mtwpSNYfriHM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drise%2Bball%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4DKUS_enUS271US274%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1

 

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JUST A QUESTION FOR A PERSON WITH THIS KIND OF EDUCATION NOT A SELF PROCLAIMED EXPERT

if that gravity law is true?
would the fact that you do throw the ball with an upward trajectory, would that not meen the speed and spin numbers could be less to achieve a true upward rise.

in other words the ball is not traveling on a flat plane and only relying on speed and spin to rise but being thrown upward against the gravity making it easier to rise

???????????

 

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JUST A QUESTION FOR A PERSON WITH THIS KIND OF EDUCATION NOT A SELF PROCLAIMED EXPERT

if that gravity law is true?
would the fact that you do throw the ball with an upward trajectory, would that not meen the speed and spin numbers could be less to achieve a true upward rise.

in other words the ball is not traveling on a flat plane and only relying on speed and spin to rise but being thrown upward against the gravity making it easier to rise

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No because the force of gravity is a constant and starts working against the ball (or any like objects of the same weight) immediately upon release. Lets say you released a "rise ball" low with an upward trajectory with reverse spin on it, and you released a ball with the "exact same" reverse spin and speed but perfectly flat, both would be effected by gravity and drop at the same rate. So if the ball that was thrown flat drops 2" in 40 ft, the ball that was thrown from low to high would drop 2" as well it would just be higher in the strike zone. Unless for some reason you could throw it at 90 mph with 35 rps. that's what it would take to counter act the force of gravity and then they would both rise at the same rate. If you took a ball and threw it straight up in the air and threw a ball with the exact same spin and speed only flat the ball that was thrown straight up would be effected by gravity the same as the one that was flat. If the flat ball dropped 2" in 40 ft then the ball thrown up would have veered off of its original path by 2" at the same distance. You guys realize I'm gonna get my head kicked in on here, so let the kicking begin.:lmao: Check out the link below. I also have DD who has a very good rise ball that does the same thing as every other pitcher with a rise ball. It drops ever so slightly at the top of the strike zone.

http://www.pitchsoftball.com/Page11.html

 

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I have never seen a rise ball. But do see Kentucky fastballs all the time (Starts low finishes higher than release point, but does flatten out the last 3 or 4 ft as gravity pulls on the ball.)

 

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Maybe instead of calling it a Rise Ball, it should be called an Inclined Pitch. That way the person who is talking about the pitch can tell it as they so INCLINE!;&




FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!

 

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I wish I could get my golf ball to rise, that darn ground just wont let it go up....maybe its the clubs......

 

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I've seen fastballs, meatballs, curveballs, dropballs, red balls, blue balls, balls that bounce and balls that aren't round, but never a ball that rises. Lets call it the "inclined fastball".

 

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I wish I could get my golf ball to rise, that darn ground just wont let it go up....maybe its the clubs......

And I thought I was the only one that has that problem. At times I can hit the prettiest Line-drives you ever saw, except they're about 4"-6" off the ground.;&


FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!

 

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I've seen fastballs, meatballs, curveballs, dropballs, red balls, blue balls, balls that bounce and balls that aren't round, but never a ball that rises. Lets call it the "inclined fastball".

Works for me! From now on the Rise ball shall be referred to as the Inclined Fastpitch! All in favor say "Aye":lmao::lmao:


FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!