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Should a tournament director have a team(s) in the tourny? Why or Why not? Is it a conflict of interest?
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I am not going to say it is a "conflict" of interest. Just interest.
Aren't most tourneys run by an organization? If they did not allow their own teams to play in them, I think that we would not have many tournaments offered. Who else in their right mind wants to do the work involved for such little profit?
Aren't most tourneys run by an organization? If they did not allow their own teams to play in them, I think that we would not have many tournaments offered. Who else in their right mind wants to do the work involved for such little profit?
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Almost all of the best tournaments all have their own teams in it, The men and women in blue are the ones who uphold their unbiased opinions to the best of their ability and if a TD were to sway one to go their way, they'd do it other ways as well and I would not want my DD playing for them as a parent.
Sort of like saying should an Olympic host not have their athletes attend??
Sort of like saying should an Olympic host not have their athletes attend??
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Gotta love the Lady Irish.
I know the Quakerman is not in his right mind... lol
After June 28th and 29th tournament with the diamond dry expenses (600.00) and a helicopter ($900.00) to blow off the 2 inches of rain we got in 45 minutes at 7 pm on Saturday.... and prizes.... Quakerman did alot for 156.00 dollars.....lol... But by golly we got three more girl teams that could qualify for the NSA World Series and that was the bottom line.
I know the Quakerman is not in his right mind... lol
After June 28th and 29th tournament with the diamond dry expenses (600.00) and a helicopter ($900.00) to blow off the 2 inches of rain we got in 45 minutes at 7 pm on Saturday.... and prizes.... Quakerman did alot for 156.00 dollars.....lol... But by golly we got three more girl teams that could qualify for the NSA World Series and that was the bottom line.
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I can see both sides - been on both sides. I will say that some of the best tournaments we have been to over the years were run by someone without a team in the tournament. It just eliminates any potential conflict of interest. That's not to say that all tourney's run by someone independent from the teams playing are the best. Depends on the venue. jmho.
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I would say that if all of the rules are clearly spelled out for everyone to see and then they were administered accourdingly then it should not be a big deal. I do not really see where a TD has that much influence on the event other then coordinating.
I have in the past served at the TD for some of our events but for the past couple years we have had designated a TD who had no team playing in the event. I would say that most TD's who run events and also have a team playing would tend to be extra careful to be sure that everything is handled correctly. It is too big a spotlight to do otherwise.
I have in the past served at the TD for some of our events but for the past couple years we have had designated a TD who had no team playing in the event. I would say that most TD's who run events and also have a team playing would tend to be extra careful to be sure that everything is handled correctly. It is too big a spotlight to do otherwise.
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Ohio Wave nailed it.
The tournament format and how it will be administered should be announced ahead of time.
If you don't like the game - don't play.
The tournament format and how it will be administered should be announced ahead of time.
If you don't like the game - don't play.
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If you are talking about coaching one of the teams in the tournament? Absolutely not!!!
There are too many things to do as a TD. If your team has an issue and you are coaching, there is no way you can remain impartial. When another team has an issue that needs your attention, you need to be available, not coaching on the field.
As for organizations hosting tournaments and having their own teams in the tournament, sure. As long as the rules are spelled out and they are followed.
There are too many things to do as a TD. If your team has an issue and you are coaching, there is no way you can remain impartial. When another team has an issue that needs your attention, you need to be available, not coaching on the field.
As for organizations hosting tournaments and having their own teams in the tournament, sure. As long as the rules are spelled out and they are followed.
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I got so tired of hearing "This is our tournament"!! ?I have never heard the other local tournaments make statements like this. It took one board member 1/2 a day to shut up about a ruling she didn't believe with.
Rules weren't clearly stated to teams or to Blue. ?Some teams said that half way through Saturday that an additional 1/2 sheet of rules came out. ?I guess you had to be "****" to get them.
This was the "whiniest" tournament I have every seen. ?Next time I will pack some cheese in the cooler to go with the wine. ?;D
Lesson learned. . .proper planning saves you a lot of headaches. ?Got to love those ****! ?
Oh--back to the question. ?It is alright to have your organization play in the tournament, but you have to also show hospitality/respect to your guests. ?Don't assume that because this is your tournamnet--the day will go your way. ?The tournament had a lot of great ideas. ?Excellent vendors and live broadcasts were great. ?Golf cart hospitality was great. ?(next year make the boys driving them keep shirts on and don't allow kids to run behind them). ?TD can PM me for explanation.
Rules weren't clearly stated to teams or to Blue. ?Some teams said that half way through Saturday that an additional 1/2 sheet of rules came out. ?I guess you had to be "****" to get them.
This was the "whiniest" tournament I have every seen. ?Next time I will pack some cheese in the cooler to go with the wine. ?;D
Lesson learned. . .proper planning saves you a lot of headaches. ?Got to love those ****! ?
Oh--back to the question. ?It is alright to have your organization play in the tournament, but you have to also show hospitality/respect to your guests. ?Don't assume that because this is your tournamnet--the day will go your way. ?The tournament had a lot of great ideas. ?Excellent vendors and live broadcasts were great. ?Golf cart hospitality was great. ?(next year make the boys driving them keep shirts on and don't allow kids to run behind them). ?TD can PM me for explanation.
Edit: Team references removed - TheBearMay
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Hmmm. ?I am sorry that you had a bad experience at our tournament. I did not see any of what you discribe. ?But, we were not there very long ?But, I think that our team lost with dignity. ?We definately did not come out on top nor did we expect to because we are "Irish".
?But, I think that our team lost with dignity. ?We definately did not come out on top nor did we expect to because we are "Irish".
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wvanalmsick said:
That is what we call a nail hit squarely on the head!! Nicely worded.
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Here's your choices:
1. A tournament director who is affiliated with teams in the tournament. The money goes to the softball organizations to offset their expenses.
2. A tournament director with no affilation with any softball program and the money goes in his pocket.
3. A tournament director who is hired by the softball association and receives money from them.
I have had an incident where one of our coaches thought that he should have gotten a special phone call about rain delays and should have gotten in more games. I explained to them that our coaches will be getting the last phone calls and will give up games in order for other teams to get their games in. We went to extra efforts to get a team from Pittsburgh more games as well as teams from non-local areas. It's bad enough to lose games, worse yet to drive over 100 miles, spend money on motels and still lose games. I think that tournament directors should make an extra effort to ensure that any re-scheduled games go to teams who drive the furtherest.
1. A tournament director who is affiliated with teams in the tournament. The money goes to the softball organizations to offset their expenses.
2. A tournament director with no affilation with any softball program and the money goes in his pocket.
3. A tournament director who is hired by the softball association and receives money from them.
I have had an incident where one of our coaches thought that he should have gotten a special phone call about rain delays and should have gotten in more games. I explained to them that our coaches will be getting the last phone calls and will give up games in order for other teams to get their games in. We went to extra efforts to get a team from Pittsburgh more games as well as teams from non-local areas. It's bad enough to lose games, worse yet to drive over 100 miles, spend money on motels and still lose games. I think that tournament directors should make an extra effort to ensure that any re-scheduled games go to teams who drive the furtherest.
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Fast, I like your last paragraph as you are correct, people who come to a tournament are in fact guest/ customers of that organization for that weekend and your thought process is right on with that!
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most people know what tourneys they are entering, and the answers to this hread is more no than yes....I'd like to know then WHAT tourneys they would attend that didn't have a host team?...let's see, nix Stingrays, nix Compuware, nix the Classics Fall tourney, nix Marysville, nix Teays Valley, nix Lancaster Shootout, nix Greenville, nix Wilmington
so, basically, play at Marion and Berliner, what Orrville (if you're a 14u team)...people, tourneys are normally some type of fundrasing for an organization....you guys would be doing the same...and, no one is going to get into TD-ing without some type of investment and windfall (if you can really call it that)....
i do agree with vanalmsick...I'm sure it is tough to coach AND be a TD...I'm sure it is done, and done right, but I wouldn't want the stress...but I wouldn't be denying anyone the right to do so...
so, what's the rub?
so, basically, play at Marion and Berliner, what Orrville (if you're a 14u team)...people, tourneys are normally some type of fundrasing for an organization....you guys would be doing the same...and, no one is going to get into TD-ing without some type of investment and windfall (if you can really call it that)....
i do agree with vanalmsick...I'm sure it is tough to coach AND be a TD...I'm sure it is done, and done right, but I wouldn't want the stress...but I wouldn't be denying anyone the right to do so...
so, what's the rub?
