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in game today dd hit homerun, as she rounded third base coach slapped her 5 before she reached home a couple of her teammates slapped her 5. As soon as she touched home parents from the other team started saying she was out because she was touched by players of her team before she touched home. Umpires conference d and ruled a homerun.

my question what is the rule on this. I checked the rule book and the only thing that I could find was that you could not aid a runner. Not sure where congratulating a player is aiding a runner. Say nothing about touching a runner and she is out. If she is out for being touched then why would a runner not be out when touched by a coach for getting walked or hitting a triple.

would like rule number if there is a rule that says you are out for touching a runner

the other thing is the score was 10-2 we r losing and the top of 7th with one out. why would you argue this point. why take a homerun away from a girl when you are going to win anyway

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Thats why they are parents and the umps ump...
Pretty low in a 10-0 game

 

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you are right if a team mate or coach AIDS the runner then she would be out. I think in any game a homerun that was hit over the fence SHOULD NEVER be CONTESTED. I dont care what the score is, or the inning, or who the opponent is. Its poor sportsmanship and as far as I am concerned its show what an *** you are, and you have no sportsmanship if you do contest it......JMHO

 

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in game today dd hit homerun, as she rounded third base coach slapped her 5 before she reached home a couple of her teammates slapped her 5. As soon as she touched home parents from the other team started saying she was out because she was touched by players of her team before she touched home. Umpires conference d and ruled a homerun.

my question what is the rule on this. I checked the rule book and the only thing that I could find was that you could not aid a runner. Not sure where congratulating a player is aiding a runner. Say nothing about touching a runner and she is out. If she is out for being touched then why would a runner not be out when touched by a coach for getting walked or hitting a triple.

would like rule number if there is a rule that says you are out for touching a runner

the other thing is the score was 10-2 we r losing and the top of 7th with one out. why would you argue this point. why take a homerun away from a girl when you are going to win anyway

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The Rule you are referring to in the above is NFHS 8-6-5 The runner is out when any offensive team member, other than another runner, physically assists the runner.

A simple High Five! by another team member does not constitute an assist or an out.

Oh! And Good Luck finding the High Five Rule.

FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing to SLOW!

 

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you are right if a team mate or coach AIDS the runner then she would be out. I think in any game a homerun that was hit over the fence SHOULD NEVER be CONTESTED. I dont care what the score is, or the inning, or who the opponent is. Its poor sportsmanship and as far as I am concerned its show what an *** you are, and you have no sportsmanship if you do contest it......JMHO

Whatever adult contested that is an @ss and shouldn't be involved in kids games.

 

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I've been warned by umpires to not "high five" until the runner crosses the plate, because of the assisting a runner rule.

 

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I've been warned by umpires to not "high five" until the runner crosses the plate, because of the assisting a runner rule.

You probably have, and that's because those umps are Moron's.

NFHS 8-6-5 The runner is out when any offensive team member, other than another runner, physically assists the runner.

The High Five Hand Slap may actually result in slowing a runner down more so then to speed the runner up. In my judgment while it is Physical Contact this is not a Physical Assist due to the fact that there are no hands on the back of the runner by the coach that would result in a forward motion of the runner i.e. (shove or push)

FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing too SLOW!

 

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no touching by base coaches and all players need to stand back in front of dugout until base runner crosses home plate, then there will be on arguement

 

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That a runner is out for any touch or contact with a coach is a rule myth.

It's one of those myths- like "the hands are part of the bat" or "you can't switch to the other side of the plate once you have two strikes"- that people pick up on the playground from when they were kids. The unfortunate thing is that after they grow up they're still convinced this is a real, actual rule and will plead for it's enforcement. Even more unfortunate- some umpires out there buy into the myth and try to enforce it!

A runner is out if a coach physically assists her in running the bases. Examples would include: A runner who has fallen being helped to her feet by a coach; A runner who has overrun a base being pushed back toward it; A runner who is grabbed and held to prevent her from advancing; A coach who touches a runner who is tagging up on a fly ball, to assist her in not leaving early.

A high five or slap on the back following a home run should not be interpreted as "assisting the runner". No harm...no foul!

 

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The may be some confusion here, among the fans. In the NCAA code, the runner is out on a homerun over the fence, when she is touched by an other player, not a runner, or a coach before touching home. You will notice college games on TV, the other players will very clearly NOT touch a runner until the runner touches home.

Problably someone saw a college game where the rule was mentioned or aplied and then they thought it wa applicable at all levels.

This is another of the unnecessary differences in the rules codes that drive me, as an umpire, crazy.

 

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Bush League.....

 

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The may be some confusion here, among the fans. In the NCAA code, the runner is out on a homerun over the fence, when she is touched by an other player, not a runner, or a coach before touching home. You will notice college games on TV, the other players will very clearly NOT touch a runner until the runner touches home.

Problably someone saw a college game where the rule was mentioned or aplied and then they thought it wa applicable at all levels.

This is another of the unnecessary differences in the rules codes that drive me, as an umpire, crazy.

that is not an NCAA RULE either...

 

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no touching by base coaches and all players need to stand back in front of dugout until base runner crosses home plate, then there will be on arguement

What would there be to argue about? The umps called it right!
Spectator arguments don't count, they can talk among themselves in the bleachers behind the wire where most of this non-sense gets started in the first place.;&




FASTPITCH! Anything else, And you're playing too SLOW!

 

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if an NFL player can celebrate a tackle after a 7 yd out on 3rd and 5, I would think that common knowledge says a group of amateur athletes can grat their teammate after a homerun.....just saying

 

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The may be some confusion here, among the fans. In the NCAA code, the runner is out on a homerun over the fence, when she is touched by an other player, not a runner, or a coach before touching home. You will notice college games on TV, the other players will very clearly NOT touch a runner until the runner touches home.

Problably someone saw a college game where the rule was mentioned or aplied and then they thought it wa applicable at all levels.

This is another of the unnecessary differences in the rules codes that drive me, as an umpire, crazy.

NCAA does have a their own variation on this rule that I didn't get into, because it doesn't apply to lower levels of amateur ball. This rule and ruling are unique to college softball, so all the folks involved in ASA, NFHS, NSA, USSSA, etc. don't really need to worry about it.

Here is the NCAA rule:

9.5.3: Offensive team personnel, other than base coaches and runner(s), shall not touch a batter or base runner(s) who is legally running the bases on a deadball award until the player(s) contacts home plate.
EFFECT: For a first offense, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending team. For a second offense, the ball is dead, and the player is out and credited with the last base legally touched at the time of interference.​

Where this usually comes into play is on a home run (ie: a dead-ball base award). This rule specifically excludes base coaches and other active runners. So a base coach could still high five or touch the runners without penalty.

This is a fairly new rule in NCAA- I think that they added it just one or two seasons ago. The reason they added it had to do with a game where one coach felt cheated on an appeal play for a runner missing home plate after a home run. NCAA rules are much more "coach-driven" than other amateur rule sets, and when a coach feels "cheated" in a game, you can bet that the rules committee will hear about it. When their coaches complain, they often add a new rule to address the complaint. One recent example was the addition of the two lines added to the field to define the "pitcher's lane".

In the game in question, a batter hit a home run and was mobbed around the plate in typical fashion. The defensive team appealed that the runner missed the plate. The umpire did not uphold the appeal because in the ensuing mob he couldn't be 100% sure that the plate was missed.

The offended coach complained and this new rule was born. You will notice that now, following a home run, the playes that come out of the dugout are very careful to stand back and not touch any runners until the runners touch the plate.

It's still doesn't apply to a base coach and it's still not an automatic out. The team gets one warning before this rule is applied and anyone is called out.

I suppose that someone could have seen this in an NCAA game and just assumed that it applied to all levels of play. But the rule myth about a coach touching a runner goes back a lot further than than that. I can remember this being an issue even before the NCAA rule came into effect. And I can remember people claiming this was an out back when I played Pony League baseball almost 40 years ago!

 

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Ya' gotta love the Bretman. His knowledge knows no bounds.