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Does it seem that this year more then any other years, that teams are struggling to fill their rosters. Is it because of the economy, or the fact there are so many teams. Or a little of both.
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IMO... teams...too many. Most teams are helping the financial side in creative ways and being very open on how to ease the pain of the travel whoas. And there's plenty of competition with in an hour or 2 so costs on the weekend can even be somewhat controlled or at least managed. I say that... and my wallet is $200 lighter every weekend. hmmm....
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Parma..., In our area we have had a huge increase in the number of teams/orgs over the past couple years. Let's look at the last 5 years alone, we have had the following teams/orgs begin: Your group, MC Madness, Stealth, Storm, Ohio Elite, Lady Oriles, Explosive, West Creek, Elyria, Up-to-Bat, Diamond Dolls, Team Cuyahoga x 2, etc.. (Forgive me if I left anyone out, not intentional at all)
We have a limited talent pool of both players and coaches in our area and it is begining to cramp some orgs. Then you have other orgs that have had HUGE expansions this year (despite not having coaches for the kids) and it's a receipe for failure.
Too many folks wanting to do things their own way instead of getting involved with something existing and making it better. Why keep reinventing the wheel, improve it!!!
We have a limited talent pool of both players and coaches in our area and it is begining to cramp some orgs. Then you have other orgs that have had HUGE expansions this year (despite not having coaches for the kids) and it's a receipe for failure.
Too many folks wanting to do things their own way instead of getting involved with something existing and making it better. Why keep reinventing the wheel, improve it!!!
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can't believe the number of socalled travlling teams that are playing now
they travel alright, around the corner to some local tournament, then travel home
they travel alright, around the corner to some local tournament, then travel home
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I think there are 3 reasons.
1) Economics. Everybody is cutting back and those who can't afford travel ball won't do it.
2) Too many teams
3) Ties into 2. Probably some parents couldn't handle that their dd wasn't good enough to make it on a travel team, so they created one themselves.
1) Economics. Everybody is cutting back and those who can't afford travel ball won't do it.
2) Too many teams
3) Ties into 2. Probably some parents couldn't handle that their dd wasn't good enough to make it on a travel team, so they created one themselves.
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Todd,
Previous statements are true........
Some coaches/parents don't fully agree the way an existing team operates, so it's "let's start our own team". 'Leading to watered-down talent pool.
We've all seen "tournament teams" that, a few years ago, would have been an average Rec Ball team. But, what are you going to do - put a cap on the number of teams?
Maybe tournaments could start going as "invitation only" to keep similar-talent teams together. ;&
Previous statements are true........
Some coaches/parents don't fully agree the way an existing team operates, so it's "let's start our own team". 'Leading to watered-down talent pool.
We've all seen "tournament teams" that, a few years ago, would have been an average Rec Ball team. But, what are you going to do - put a cap on the number of teams?
Maybe tournaments could start going as "invitation only" to keep similar-talent teams together. ;&
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One reason way more teams period
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I do not think it is a case of too many teams.
1. Economy
2. Lost Interest in Travel
3. Parents/players waiting for teams to offer more than spot on team.
We are three years removed from an ASA championship however, only three players from that team are still playing travel regularly. Main reason is the expense but; some have just decided school ball and a fill in here and there is ok with them. Others have just quit the sport for other interest. A lot, of great talent came through our tryouts. We had almost 90 players try out for both our 16u and 18U teams from all over SW Ohio, SE Ind and NKY. I am blessed with the quality of players we have on our 16U team and our 18U also is stacked with a quality group of players.
The good teams will still be good, the average teams will still be average and the players that want to play will find a home. You may see a couple of the weaker teams combine to form a team but;come summer players will pop up and teams will be filled with just a few exceptions.
Like lions smelling blood and waiting for the kill you see some teams that are ready jump right on a potential player if they post they are looking regardless of "location" or position. These teams still looking usually are hoping that one of the other teams still looking do fold so, they can cherry pick to fill their team. Sad
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1. Economy
2. Lost Interest in Travel
3. Parents/players waiting for teams to offer more than spot on team.
We are three years removed from an ASA championship however, only three players from that team are still playing travel regularly. Main reason is the expense but; some have just decided school ball and a fill in here and there is ok with them. Others have just quit the sport for other interest. A lot, of great talent came through our tryouts. We had almost 90 players try out for both our 16u and 18U teams from all over SW Ohio, SE Ind and NKY. I am blessed with the quality of players we have on our 16U team and our 18U also is stacked with a quality group of players.
The good teams will still be good, the average teams will still be average and the players that want to play will find a home. You may see a couple of the weaker teams combine to form a team but;come summer players will pop up and teams will be filled with just a few exceptions.
Like lions smelling blood and waiting for the kill you see some teams that are ready jump right on a potential player if they post they are looking regardless of "location" or position. These teams still looking usually are hoping that one of the other teams still looking do fold so, they can cherry pick to fill their team. Sad
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Waaaaaayyyyy too many teams. Alot of teams are having to pull mediocre talent from the rec leagues just to be able to field a team. I have seen quite a few players who have no business being on a travel team, but teams are taking who they can get not who they want or need.
When I was younger, you had to be GREAT to be on a travel team, not just good, great. There weren't that many teams in the area and they only took the best of the best. I played with some very good players who didn't make the travel teams. Now you don't even have to have too much talent, you just have to have enough money and enough patience to keep going to try-outs until someone picks you up.
When I was younger, you had to be GREAT to be on a travel team, not just good, great. There weren't that many teams in the area and they only took the best of the best. I played with some very good players who didn't make the travel teams. Now you don't even have to have too much talent, you just have to have enough money and enough patience to keep going to try-outs until someone picks you up.
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If you count the teams and girls there are more girls playing travel ball then ever before.
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True, because of more teams there are a lot more players available today than 10 years ago, just like Boys Baseball, Girls travel ******, VolleyBall, Basketball etc.
All the above have had more teams join the more competitive ranks over the last ten years. Having options and teams is a "good thing". Competition, along with players and parents wanting to play competitive sports is good for any sport. (Once people lose the interest in a sport that sport is short lived)
The worst thing for any sport is for the individuals or teams involved to think they are Bigger/Better than the sport.
Quality teams will get the quality players they need to compete (if they are doing the right things). The other teams if they are doing the right things will also get the players need to play at the level they should be playing.
As these plyers develop they move up with their team or look to move on to a more competitive team. That is how it should work.
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Hey, Klump, ""Alot of teams are having to pull mediocre talent from the rec leagues just to be able to field a team. I have seen quite a few players who have no business being on a travel team""
Are you an ARROGANT AS***** or what? Some kids LIKE TO PLAY SOFTBALL. Rec leagues simply do not provide much opportunity to do so. Go ride your high horse to Moscow circa Oct. 1812.
Are you an ARROGANT AS***** or what? Some kids LIKE TO PLAY SOFTBALL. Rec leagues simply do not provide much opportunity to do so. Go ride your high horse to Moscow circa Oct. 1812.
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WOW Can't we all just get along. Seems like this is personal maybe take it out back
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wow!!! tell us how you really feel... Klump is absolutely right and if moscow has some decent players to choose from, im riding with Klump.
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This IS travel ball not Rec.League that's why travel has try outs and yes teams are having trouble filling there roster and don't kid yourself, coaches are taking kids that they normally wouldn't. If the "truth" is arrogant than there are a lot of arrogant coaches out there.;&
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fourts, ""This IS travel ball not Rec.League that's why travel has try outs and yes teams are having trouble filling there roster and don't kid yourself, coaches are taking kids that they normally wouldn't. If the "truth" is arrogant than there are a lot of arrogant coaches out there.""
Rec league here in SE Ohio consists of roughly 10 games with inadequate coaching. DD's 1st high school coach last spring was at best a top ten contender for worst coach in Ohio. Klump seems to have had the benefit of being able to experience a full "career" of as much ball and quality coaching as she desires. If her first 8 years of ball had consisted of the same experience as my DD she might not even be here on this thread. To sum up Klumps statement that many kids don't DESERVE a chance to play is beyond sensibilty. One final point I would make after seeing one season of travel ball. If the powers that be limited travel teams to X number in the state and made available to all poor DDs the training that the DDs here have had, many of the DDs here would be considered mediocre.
Rec league here in SE Ohio consists of roughly 10 games with inadequate coaching. DD's 1st high school coach last spring was at best a top ten contender for worst coach in Ohio. Klump seems to have had the benefit of being able to experience a full "career" of as much ball and quality coaching as she desires. If her first 8 years of ball had consisted of the same experience as my DD she might not even be here on this thread. To sum up Klumps statement that many kids don't DESERVE a chance to play is beyond sensibilty. One final point I would make after seeing one season of travel ball. If the powers that be limited travel teams to X number in the state and made available to all poor DDs the training that the DDs here have had, many of the DDs here would be considered mediocre.
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Got to agree with Klump on this. Travel is not for the occasional/casual player. That is why there is Rec ball. Rec and travel can both be fun; however, travel has the obvious higher level of commitment.
Too often, Rec ball coaches deceive themselves into believing they have a team capable of playing at a higher level. Too often, they are mistaken. Find an organization where the player is/can be challenged. Coaches playing 'Daddy Ball" are playing with the ultimate deception.
Too often, Rec ball coaches deceive themselves into believing they have a team capable of playing at a higher level. Too often, they are mistaken. Find an organization where the player is/can be challenged. Coaches playing 'Daddy Ball" are playing with the ultimate deception.
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4carrs, ""Got to agree with Klump on this. Travel is not for the occasional/casual player."" That's not what was said. She said that girls have no business wanting to play 50 games a year unless they are a stud like her. Go home to your rec league little girl and play 10 crappy games a year. When you grow up you can stay in the kitchen and bake cookies with Hillary.
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A combination of too many new teams, and some girls starting to weed themselves out as the overall competition level improves in Northeast Ohio I think.
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First of all, I'm pretty sure that with Hillary's current position, she has her own chef. Secondly, you did not quote Klump. Klump's post does not refer to playing 10 crappy games a year, nor 50 for a stud player. You attacked a fellow member for their opinion. Just because you are in the minority, don't get bent out of shape.
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