Wow (again)

[larrybowman]

It is public knowledge, post it, discuss it, and share opinions. This is a forum, I do agree no blame should be put on anyones shoulders until proven in a court of law. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with talking about it on here. I havent read a post yet that says he or she is guilty.... evryones being respectful and keeping an open mind IMO. The idea that the coach may OR may not have known about the alleged crime involving her son would be absolutely heart breaking.... which way do you turn? Very sad and difficult situation for everyone involved.

 

[BulldawgsDirector]

Agree 100%. Hopefully the coach nor her son are guilty of anything and everyone can begin to heal.

 

[tjsmize3]

BdD, I'll give you that maybe my emotions as both a coach and a parent hearing this case for the first time led me to being overly harsh in my response to your statement. You stated "If (the allegations) are true, the coach wouldn't have the type of character I would contribute to in any way." I just think either way it is way too early to start talking about what this or that person should and shouldn't have done. Neither the coach nor the University has even had a chance to respond to the complaints yet. There is a big difference in the complaint against the University as compared to the complaint against the coach. To start making character judgments about how one acts when their career responsibilities conflict with their instincts as a parent I just felt was harshly judgmental. Even if the coach is not ultimately dropped in this lawsuit... and even if she is found negligent in her duty to report in this case... I don't see how we get to her character being reprehensible and not trusting her with kids in a camp situation. I guess I'll have to respect that others may have a different opinion in this case.

 

[BulldawgsDirector]

umm the entire complaint vs the university is based on alleged negligence of the coach to report a rape and unfair treatment after if you read the story. If that were true, IFFFF that were true, and you don't see that as a character issue then I guess our views won't match up regardless. What was said, again was, IFFF that is the case then you spend your money on someone that did that, I won't. Call me what you will, call out the outrage committee, I never said she was guilty and I hope neither are.

 

[BulldawgsDirector]

And who the hell is in charge of saying when is a good time to discuss a public case on this forum regarding a softball program/ coach/ player and how we should feel if this and if not that??? No one has yet to suggest a presumption of guilt. It's like the defense team is interrogating the jury here.

Lastly TJ the part where you ticked me off was suggesting I had some hidden agenda as a competitor and she and I don't compete in anything. I don't do anything she does as far as her role in our sport. Today was the first I heard about it and if you care about the kids many of us, yourself probably included, work so hard for then yes, it is disturbing ALLEGATIONS.

 

[tjsmize3]

Lastly TJ the part where you ticked me off was suggesting I had some hidden agenda as a competitor and she and I don't compete in anything. I don't do anything she does as far as her role in our sport. Today was the first I heard about it and if you care about the kids many of us, yourself probably included, work so hard for then yes, it is disturbing ALLEGATIONS.

Cool BdD... I owed you an apology for coming at you the way I did and I believe I took care of that in my last post. I'll be honest that this case really sticks with me and it's mostly as a parent. I do not mean to come on here and say that people should not be held accountable for their actions... that's not how I feel. But, as a parent it's very hard for me to sort through how I would react in this situation. Pit me against my child and I'm sorry... it gets blurry. If you feel that you have considered all things and stick by your statement then that's great and I'm going to respect it... not call the outrage committee. As I've said, I just feel I'm going to need to know more than just a finding of negligence to report before I make character judgments, and honestly most of what I would want to hear is what the son was really telling the mom... probably not going to ever know that. Impossible situation in my book... would not wish this on anyone!

 

[BulldawgsDirector]

Were good, thank you. If the story doesn't stir up some emotion then we aren't human, let alone fathers, coaches, and mentors. I agree, don't wish this on anyone. I hope it is a mistake by a young lady- for everyones sake, so they can get past it.

 

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[BulldawgsDirector]

Always 1 in the crowd, lol^^^^

 

[poden-smoden]

Wake up people! Three pages of whether it should be posted or not, you said this, you said that, apologies, and lots of opinions.

How hard it would be if it was you as a coach or a parents, all of the IF's, etc!

Unless I missed it somewhere, I suppose I will be the first to wonder about how the poor girl is doing, how she must feel or how hard it is for her or her parents. I do not care about any of the other things or scenarios. This was a child that may have been abused, period!

 

[Sparty]

http://deadspin.com/lawsuit-kent-state-covered-up-rape-by-softball-coachs-1758114043

Quite a twisted and disturbing saga.

So much for all that "world of entitlement" reason for abruptly retiring/leaving.

 

[crystlemc]

Dang. If what is in that article is true, and I'm saying IF, this is one screwed up mess and that poor girl is going to have a rough go of recovering from all that.

 

[Sparty]

Abruptly retiring is a pretty good indication of guilt/wrongdoing. What's truly disgusting is she put out a preachy farewell berating players and their parents for an entitlement attitude and whatever else she said. And everyone bought it! And people were debating the merits of her words. When all along this was happening. It's hard to wrap one's mind around. It's really troubling. And the cover up is always worse than the crime...

 

[mogsoftball]

Wow there are a lot of claims in that article that can potentially be corroborated, texts, phone records, social media. I amguessing if it is true those things will be presented in court.

 

[cobb_of_fury]

Abruptly retiring is a pretty good indication of guilt/wrongdoing. What's truly disgusting is she put out a preachy farewell berating players and their parents for an entitlement attitude and whatever else she said. And everyone bought it! And people were debating the merits of her words. When all along this was happening. It's hard to wrap one's mind around. It's really troubling. And the cover up is always worse than the crime...

Ah, But Sparty she was right - the story is about Athletes being privileged and not having to face their own mistakes because coaches and parents cover for them. She was telling the whole truth just inside out. This IS the story of undeserved entitlement.

 

[crystlemc]

Ah, But Sparty she was right - the story is about Athletes being privileged and not having to face their own mistakes because coaches and parents cover for them. She was telling the whole truth just inside out. This IS the story of undeserved entitlement.

I'm glad you said this. I was just having that conversation with someone yesterday. It makes you wonder if it may have been her way to "dig" at the accuser. If she covered up for her son and basically threatened the girl, I can only deduce that she wasn't referring to her kid in that statement.

 

[Stupid Jim]

Wake up people! Three pages of whether it should be posted or not, you said this, you said that, apologies, and lots of opinions.

How hard it would be if it was you as a coach or a parents, all of the IF's, etc!

Unless I missed it somewhere, I suppose I will be the first to wonder about how the poor girl is doing, how she must feel or how hard it is for her or her parents. I do not care about any of the other things or scenarios. This was a child that may have been abused, period!

Amen poden

 

[cobb_of_fury]

We had the oppertunity to go to one of Coach Linders campsthis winter but it didn't work out - I am so happy now that we did not end up going -

 

[Stretch]

And why transfer the son to a Junior College in Galveston from a DI in your back yard?

http://www.gc.edu/gc/Baseball_Team.asp

 

[cobb_of_fury]

I'm glad you said this. I was just having that conversation with someone yesterday. It makes you wonder if it may have been her way to "dig" at the accuser. If she covered up for her son and basically threatened the girl, I can only deduce that she wasn't referring to her kid in that statement.

Crystle - I dont think she meant to admit guilt but what she said was ironicly true, Some Coaches and Parents entitle players.