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Wow- the amount of teams in Ohio seems to be growing at a crazy pace! Anyone ever count how many Ohio teams/Organziations there are out there? ;&
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It is nice for the girls and the tournament directors, but overall makes for weaker teams.
It is nice for the girls and the tournament directors, but overall makes for weaker teams.
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I was just going to post something about how every team out there is looking for a pitcher. There are so many teams and just not enough quality pitchers. It seems the Tryout section should be renamed the Looking for Pitcher section.
I was just going to post something about how every team out there is looking for a pitcher. There are so many teams and just not enough quality pitchers. It seems the Tryout section should be renamed the Looking for Pitcher section.
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Way tooo many teams, not near enough pitching. To be competitive at a very high level, you need at the very least (and I mean very least) 2 quality pitchers (#1's) and a 3rd to eat innings when needed. Most teams have 1 quality #1 and a couple others to eat innings.
Everyone worries about innings and being #1, but if you only play 3 or 4 games every weekend, are u really getting enough innings. If you have 2 or 3 top pitchers and get to play deep on Sunday, you will get more innings and much more exposure then being done early on Saturday.
But it seems every year new teams keep popping up claiming they are going to play a "great schedule" and get in the top tournaments, when really only a hand full of Ohio teams really play "great schedules" and get invites to the top showcase tournaments.
Way tooo many teams, not near enough pitching. To be competitive at a very high level, you need at the very least (and I mean very least) 2 quality pitchers (#1's) and a 3rd to eat innings when needed. Most teams have 1 quality #1 and a couple others to eat innings.
Everyone worries about innings and being #1, but if you only play 3 or 4 games every weekend, are u really getting enough innings. If you have 2 or 3 top pitchers and get to play deep on Sunday, you will get more innings and much more exposure then being done early on Saturday.
But it seems every year new teams keep popping up claiming they are going to play a "great schedule" and get in the top tournaments, when really only a hand full of Ohio teams really play "great schedules" and get invites to the top showcase tournaments.
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'Should be a requirement before you're allowed to start a new team. "Do you have a Starter and a #2?" Yes? Then proceed...
'Should be a requirement before you're allowed to start a new team. "Do you have a Starter and a #2?" Yes? Then proceed...
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Have two daughters and they both pitch...of course they are o#1's.. Start my new elite team.
Have two daughters and they both pitch...of course they are o#1's.. Start my new elite team.
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Until parents and players realize they cannot pitch or catch every game at 100% it will always be this way. This is what seperates the elite from the rest. They know when it is their turn they are rested and ready to give their all. I understand it is hard but no sense in pitching and catching every game in front of college coaches if you cannot give 100%.
Until parents and players realize they cannot pitch or catch every game at 100% it will always be this way. This is what seperates the elite from the rest. They know when it is their turn they are rested and ready to give their all. I understand it is hard but no sense in pitching and catching every game in front of college coaches if you cannot give 100%.
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not elite " GOOOOOOLLLLLDDDD" in the voice of Dr Evil from " GoldMember "
not elite " GOOOOOOLLLLLDDDD" in the voice of Dr Evil from " GoldMember "
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My bad Manitou
My bad Manitou
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That's because guys like me are hoarding them all, 11 pitchers deep...even my backup outfielders throw low 60's and hit all corners...J/K...!!!
Realistically, agree with having 2 quality pitchers and a 3rd developing pitcher to eat some innings. I even prefer and may choose a position player at tryouts (Im talking 14u in my case - 'IF' we have 2 players close in skills borderline to cut) that throws J.V. / recor whatever in case someone gets hurt etc...a 4th arm may come in handy if something bad happens...
Had my top pitcher get hurt a cpl yrs ago when we didnt have depth. Not fun trying to get deep in tournaments with only 2 pitchers (or worse!)...she was a trooper and came back after 1 weekend off with a hairline fractured wrist and pitched only (didnt let her bat) until she was healthy.
I was just going to post something about how every team out there is looking for a pitcher. There are so many teams and just not enough quality pitchers. It seems the Tryout section should be renamed the Looking for Pitcher section.
That's because guys like me are hoarding them all, 11 pitchers deep...even my backup outfielders throw low 60's and hit all corners...J/K...!!!
Realistically, agree with having 2 quality pitchers and a 3rd developing pitcher to eat some innings. I even prefer and may choose a position player at tryouts (Im talking 14u in my case - 'IF' we have 2 players close in skills borderline to cut) that throws J.V. / recor whatever in case someone gets hurt etc...a 4th arm may come in handy if something bad happens...
Had my top pitcher get hurt a cpl yrs ago when we didnt have depth. Not fun trying to get deep in tournaments with only 2 pitchers (or worse!)...she was a trooper and came back after 1 weekend off with a hairline fractured wrist and pitched only (didnt let her bat) until she was healthy.
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That is why more and more kids at the 15u level are leaving Ohio to play top level ball on teams outside of Ohio....there are very few teams in Ohio that have a 1-4, 1-4, 1 batting order with 2 stud pitchers playing in the top tournaments. In fact, there are few "top" tournaments in Ohio, although Outlaws/PGF are making that happen this fall. besides that, maybe Stingrays but even that tournament is taking a hit competing with the Illinois showcases
That is why more and more kids at the 15u level are leaving Ohio to play top level ball on teams outside of Ohio....there are very few teams in Ohio that have a 1-4, 1-4, 1 batting order with 2 stud pitchers playing in the top tournaments. In fact, there are few "top" tournaments in Ohio, although Outlaws/PGF are making that happen this fall. besides that, maybe Stingrays but even that tournament is taking a hit competing with the Illinois showcases
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I feel some of the reason for this relates to the poor foundation of the recreational leagues. A good recreational league will train or educate coaches or those who can volunteer their time. Teach the fundamentals to players and parents. Provide an atmosphere where the common goal is 100% oriented toward the player and team growth.
I think all across the nation the amount of elite teams true elite teams that are competitive relates to the amount of elite pitchers. I feel an area that is overlooked is in the recreational leagues they do not think to provide the training necessary to learn the acquired skill of fast pitch pitching. Every player baseball and softball throw a ball overhand and is easier for baseball players to learn to pitch, male and female. Where they miss on this is the thinking or thought process eludes them to ask who wants to pitch in softball and get them some sort of training during the winter before the league starts and continue through the season.
Then there is what some reference to "daddy ball' not even going there. ;&
Until the process in which this sport is operating under is corrected it will never change. Just some of my opinion on this matter.
I feel some of the reason for this relates to the poor foundation of the recreational leagues. A good recreational league will train or educate coaches or those who can volunteer their time. Teach the fundamentals to players and parents. Provide an atmosphere where the common goal is 100% oriented toward the player and team growth.
I think all across the nation the amount of elite teams true elite teams that are competitive relates to the amount of elite pitchers. I feel an area that is overlooked is in the recreational leagues they do not think to provide the training necessary to learn the acquired skill of fast pitch pitching. Every player baseball and softball throw a ball overhand and is easier for baseball players to learn to pitch, male and female. Where they miss on this is the thinking or thought process eludes them to ask who wants to pitch in softball and get them some sort of training during the winter before the league starts and continue through the season.
Then there is what some reference to "daddy ball' not even going there. ;&
Until the process in which this sport is operating under is corrected it will never change. Just some of my opinion on this matter.
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i think there are too many parent coaches that are doing it for the wrong reasons, just so some kids can play where they want, ofcourse they dont play high level .dont get me wrong there are some great parent coaches out there that i know personally that actually care about the game and work hard at it..jmo
i think there are too many parent coaches that are doing it for the wrong reasons, just so some kids can play where they want, ofcourse they dont play high level .dont get me wrong there are some great parent coaches out there that i know personally that actually care about the game and work hard at it..jmo
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One way to view it is, there is room at the top for those who sacrifice, commit to be the best they can, work hard, are students of the game, fortunate to have a gift in physical ability and surround themselves with like minded players and coaches that can provide the roadmap to get there. There is not room at the top for everyone regardless of the ideas some influential folks in some key leadership rolls want to tell us.
One way to view it is, there is room at the top for those who sacrifice, commit to be the best they can, work hard, are students of the game, fortunate to have a gift in physical ability and surround themselves with like minded players and coaches that can provide the roadmap to get there. There is not room at the top for everyone regardless of the ideas some influential folks in some key leadership rolls want to tell us.
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Devils advocate: Isn't this all for the Girls ? or just the elite girls? Just asking
I hear this all the time ? "too many teams" ? There is never too many teams till every girl in the state is playing softball.
Here is how it will naturally work over time;
The best girls will go to the Best teams and play in the best tournaments
Maybe they will be called Golden Elite Tournaments.
If you have two or three A level girls pitching against each other the ball will get hit and fielders will make plays. And the girls will get better
The Midlevel girls will end up on the Midlevel teams and play in midlevel tournaments. If you have two or three midlevel pitchers the ball gets hit and the fielders make plays. And the girls will get better
The lower level girls will play on low level teams in low level tournaments.
If you have two or three poorer pitchers the ball gets hit and the fielders make plays. And the girls will get better
The lowest level or least interested will play slow-pitch
Cream rises and girls will play to their level and get better. Soon some C?s will be B?s and B?s can be A?s and the A?s get that D1 money.
The problem is A teams playing in B tournaments and humiliating B level girls just to get the $5 trophy (and sometimes to a lesser degree B and C teams playing in A tournaments just to say they did). And not enough Pitching instruction all teams need to have pitching instruction from Rec on up.
Devils advocate: Isn't this all for the Girls ? or just the elite girls? Just asking
I hear this all the time ? "too many teams" ? There is never too many teams till every girl in the state is playing softball.
Here is how it will naturally work over time;
The best girls will go to the Best teams and play in the best tournaments
Maybe they will be called Golden Elite Tournaments.
If you have two or three A level girls pitching against each other the ball will get hit and fielders will make plays. And the girls will get better
The Midlevel girls will end up on the Midlevel teams and play in midlevel tournaments. If you have two or three midlevel pitchers the ball gets hit and the fielders make plays. And the girls will get better
The lower level girls will play on low level teams in low level tournaments.
If you have two or three poorer pitchers the ball gets hit and the fielders make plays. And the girls will get better
The lowest level or least interested will play slow-pitch
Cream rises and girls will play to their level and get better. Soon some C?s will be B?s and B?s can be A?s and the A?s get that D1 money.
The problem is A teams playing in B tournaments and humiliating B level girls just to get the $5 trophy (and sometimes to a lesser degree B and C teams playing in A tournaments just to say they did). And not enough Pitching instruction all teams need to have pitching instruction from Rec on up.
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Can I get an Amen? I was going to post something similar to this later today.
Good Lord, there are a blue million teams out there now. What do most of them seem to need, a #1 pitcher & a #1 catcher.
Hmmm.
I know of several teams in the 10U division, big organization teams mind you, that folded their 10U teams. There are a lot out there.
Now....is this bad or good? Well it's good for the sport because these girls will hopefully improve & want to play for the school. This is going to create a boom in demand for indoor training space, especially in areas where there are a lot of travel teams, such Fairfield County. Team training space, hitting cages, pitching tunnels, catching tunnels, speed & agility areas, etc....will be needed!!!! More to come about that.....
Can I get an Amen? I was going to post something similar to this later today.
Good Lord, there are a blue million teams out there now. What do most of them seem to need, a #1 pitcher & a #1 catcher.
Hmmm.
I know of several teams in the 10U division, big organization teams mind you, that folded their 10U teams. There are a lot out there.
Now....is this bad or good? Well it's good for the sport because these girls will hopefully improve & want to play for the school. This is going to create a boom in demand for indoor training space, especially in areas where there are a lot of travel teams, such Fairfield County. Team training space, hitting cages, pitching tunnels, catching tunnels, speed & agility areas, etc....will be needed!!!! More to come about that.....
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And not enough Pitching instruction all teams need to have pitching instruction from Rec on up. [/QUOTE]
I am going to disagree with this comment (ADAMENTLY!)... Pitching instruction should be left up to the professionals... Managers and Coaches CANNOT be the jack of all trades... they cannot be hitting instructors, pitching instructors, fielding instructors, etc. etc.
Pitching instruction should be left up to people who truly understand the mechanics. My daughter has been taking pitching lessons for 6 years and I have attended nearly every single one of her lessons. I can tell you what she is doing wrong but I absolutely have no business telling someone elses daughter how to pitch. Neither does most Travel coaches.
Pitchers have to be self driven and willing to work on their own with a trained professional. They should NOT EXPECT to get training from a Travel Ball coach...
Just my 2 cents...
And not enough Pitching instruction all teams need to have pitching instruction from Rec on up. [/QUOTE]
I am going to disagree with this comment (ADAMENTLY!)... Pitching instruction should be left up to the professionals... Managers and Coaches CANNOT be the jack of all trades... they cannot be hitting instructors, pitching instructors, fielding instructors, etc. etc.
Pitching instruction should be left up to people who truly understand the mechanics. My daughter has been taking pitching lessons for 6 years and I have attended nearly every single one of her lessons. I can tell you what she is doing wrong but I absolutely have no business telling someone elses daughter how to pitch. Neither does most Travel coaches.
Pitchers have to be self driven and willing to work on their own with a trained professional. They should NOT EXPECT to get training from a Travel Ball coach...
Just my 2 cents...
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Media - I agree with you!
I think these organizations need to bring in PROFESIONAL Pitching instructors - the cost would be worth the reward. At least make the option available.
This is especialy true at the younger levels 8u, 10u and first year 12u -
If your pitching your second year of 12 without a pitching coach you are probaly not going to be pitching much longer.
Part of the problem is almost anyone can pitch at 10 (and almost everyone wants to) this is not to disrespect the dedicated 10u pitchers I know your out there and working hard. You are A players and will do well. for the others... at 10u all you need to do is get the ball near the plate and hope for the best. By 12u this all changes and you need to become dedicated to the craft. If there were pitching coaches available at the earliest stages the transition would be much easier at 12. Look at the boards again it's not a lack of pitchers its a lack of #1 pitchers.
Plus; I think a lot of decent pitching is over looked because they may be hitting all the spots and have good diferential on their change but they are not throwing in the 60's.
Media - I agree with you!
I think these organizations need to bring in PROFESIONAL Pitching instructors - the cost would be worth the reward. At least make the option available.
This is especialy true at the younger levels 8u, 10u and first year 12u -
If your pitching your second year of 12 without a pitching coach you are probaly not going to be pitching much longer.
Part of the problem is almost anyone can pitch at 10 (and almost everyone wants to) this is not to disrespect the dedicated 10u pitchers I know your out there and working hard. You are A players and will do well. for the others... at 10u all you need to do is get the ball near the plate and hope for the best. By 12u this all changes and you need to become dedicated to the craft. If there were pitching coaches available at the earliest stages the transition would be much easier at 12. Look at the boards again it's not a lack of pitchers its a lack of #1 pitchers.
Plus; I think a lot of decent pitching is over looked because they may be hitting all the spots and have good diferential on their change but they are not throwing in the 60's.
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What and who would everyone consider a professional regarding pitching instruction? I also attended pitching lessons with my daughter for 8 years and always wrote copious notes after each lesson. So basically when she had her lesson I too was receiving a lesson. My daughter went to several pitching instructors before we found the Doug Gillis Academy. Most of her previous instructors really had no clue as to what they were doing and they had a lot of students, and people consider them professionals. I would constantly see most if not all of their students have the same fundamental flaws. Even now I see a lot of instructors teaching old outdated techniques, and people consider them professionals. From my experience just because someone played the game doesn`t necessarily mean they can teach the game. You have to be able to see what the person is doing wrong and not everyone has that ability unless they where specifically taught what to look for and have the ability to teach it. Same thing with hitting I have listened to stories from some well known hitting instructors who said most of your major league ball players can`t describe what they do during their swing. If they could they would certainly have the ability to correct one another then there wouldn't be a need for hitting instructors in the majors making big bucks. Then again I see a lot of "professional" hitting instructors teaching old outdated techniques too. If someone can learn proper form and technique and has the ability to teach that to others I don`t think that is a bad thing even if they would not be considered a professional.
What and who would everyone consider a professional regarding pitching instruction? I also attended pitching lessons with my daughter for 8 years and always wrote copious notes after each lesson. So basically when she had her lesson I too was receiving a lesson. My daughter went to several pitching instructors before we found the Doug Gillis Academy. Most of her previous instructors really had no clue as to what they were doing and they had a lot of students, and people consider them professionals. I would constantly see most if not all of their students have the same fundamental flaws. Even now I see a lot of instructors teaching old outdated techniques, and people consider them professionals. From my experience just because someone played the game doesn`t necessarily mean they can teach the game. You have to be able to see what the person is doing wrong and not everyone has that ability unless they where specifically taught what to look for and have the ability to teach it. Same thing with hitting I have listened to stories from some well known hitting instructors who said most of your major league ball players can`t describe what they do during their swing. If they could they would certainly have the ability to correct one another then there wouldn't be a need for hitting instructors in the majors making big bucks. Then again I see a lot of "professional" hitting instructors teaching old outdated techniques too. If someone can learn proper form and technique and has the ability to teach that to others I don`t think that is a bad thing even if they would not be considered a professional.
