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Softball mom - Kesterson said she and Tucker Linder had engaged in "minor intimacies" in the past. On the day of the rape he showed up at her dorm drunk. She was not drinking. She claims she said no to his advances no less than 10 times. I don't see how that is putting herself in danger?

Crystlemc- unfortunately the Athletic Director was also involved in the cover up. When Kesterson tried to file the appropriate documents for title IX he wouldn't file them. And permitted Linder to resign and give that interview blaming entitled players which caused retaliation against Kesterson. As if it were her fault for the abrupt resignation of the 4 time MAC coach of the year.
 

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Sparty - that's what I was trying to say. I would do everything I could to dissuade my child from playing for that program given the fact the administration failed to "do right" by this girl. It speaks to the character of the program and those running it.
 

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This is easily my worst nightmare for my children. I can not imagine what the girl has gone through.

And the reaction by KSU is frightening.
 
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Softball mom - Kesterson said she and Tucker Linder had engaged in "minor intimacies" in the past. On the day of the rape he showed up at her dorm drunk. She was not drinking. She claims she said no to his advances no less than 10 times. I don't see how that is putting herself in danger?

He called her and she went to his dorm then walked him back to her dorm and she noticed he was intoxicated. A closed door and intoxicated man puts yourself in a dangerous situation IMO.
 

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He called her and she went to his dorm then walked him back to her dorm and she noticed he was intoxicated. A closed door and intoxicated man puts yourself in a dangerous situation IMO.

I guess she never even contemplated her coaches son would rape her and not take "no" repeated 10 times for an answer.
 

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A somewhat related story:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ut-hit-teammate-helping-rape-victim/80170032/

In this case, a football player aided a rape victim - raped by a couple of his football teammates - and then faced repeated retribution from other teammates for being a snitch until he eventually quit the team and transferred. Blackballed for helping a rape victim. The code of silence is strong on athletic teams and in universities...put the two together and due process is hard to come by.
 

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So sad... I just don't understand the compulsion and poor decision making that one demonstrates when violating another person. It breaks my heart.
 
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I guess she never even contemplated her coaches son would rape her and not take "no" repeated 10 times for an answer.

I am sure she didn't, which is why I said I was laying no blame. Just used it as a starting point for a conversation to have with my daughter who herself will be at college in a few years.
 

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I think it is entirely understandable that a parent would be reluctant to send their child to a university where that school's ability and willingness to protect your child has been reasonably placed into question. Likewise, I think it is both understandable and appropriate for an organization or business to suspend ties until this mess is settled.
What surprises me though, is the continued discussion by some about what exactly Karen (and her son) did, said, felt, should have done, etc... as if any of us have any idea of what ACTUALLY transpired. All you have is a Plaintiff's complaint... those are the words crafted by a high-profile attorney to make (and win) a high-profile case. All of the stories to date have ZERO independent testimony from anyone involved, but rather are constructed from the same 34 page complaint that was attached to the original local story. If we DIDN'T feel outrage then I guess the attorney did not do his job properly.
In my non-softball life I have seen multiple physician careers, and businesses shut down by public opinion regarding a front page accusation. When occasionally the facts do not pan out in trial (and this does happen), the back page retraction gets little press. I have literally seen families live's destroyed like this. This same rush to judgement is what has brought us stories like the Duke Lacrosse incident, the more recent Georgia Tech wrongful accusations, and other fun current events like Ferguson.
It's one thing to come on here and say well if my son raped someone I would.... , but that's not what happened. What would you do if someone ACCUSED your son of rape and he denied it to you. That's what matters... and right now that's all that matters if you want to comment on Karen as an individual. Anything else that you think you know about this case is presented to you by the Plaintiff's Attorney EXACTLY as he wants you to hear it.
So yes, I too had a discussion with my DD last night about whether or not her school has protocol in place for these situations (surprisingly the answer was not good!). But, we also talked a little a little bit about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty and the dangers of rushing to judgement. For the few on here who keep crossing the line I realize you have every right to do it. But, God forbid the day where you or a family member is accused of something and we all sit on here and judge you from nothing but the Plaintiff's complaint.
 

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Regardless of whether he did or didn't do it, she went to the coach and to the school and reported it, and the proper procedures were not followed. Period. Even if she lied, the proper procedures were not followed. That is the sticking point for me. Even if she lied, without reporting and investigating it, the school failed. The coach failed. Even if her son swears it never happened, she doesn't know the truth one way or the other until investigated and a determination made.
 

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Why did she resign? Why did her son transfer schools? Why did she make the statements she did to the Record essentially placing blame on entitled players? Why didn't Kent State send her out with a big party and ovation? It was clear it was not an anticipated or happy parting. These actions all indicate guilt and wrongdoing. As a matter of fact I heard the day she resigned it was because of a rape case mishandled. Then to see her "explanation" made no sense. Why in August are you going to quit your 19 year very successful dream job out of the blue? Why not say the real reason? It all looks very suspicious. And it smells of guilt.

And what looks really bad is Linder reported another rape of another player around this time. Yet, failed to do so for Kesterson.


My gut tells me this girl is telling the truth and wronged beyond belief.

Looking forward to a formal statement from the school. Taking a long time to offer a rebuttal to the claims.
 
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Regardless of whether he did or didn't do it, she went to the coach and to the school and reported it, and the proper procedures were not followed. Period. Even if she lied, the proper procedures were not followed. That is the sticking point for me. Even if she lied, without reporting and investigating it, the school failed. The coach failed. Even if her son swears it never happened, she doesn't know the truth one way or the other until investigated and a determination made.

I agree with you 100% here... I would have concerns about sending my child to that institution until everything is settled. Again, if you can believe the Plaintiff's complaint the case against the institution seems a lot more cut and dry. You knew, you didn't report.
 

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Why did she resign? Why did her son transfer schools? Why did she make the statements she did to the Record essentially placing blame on entitled players? Why didn't Kent State send her out with a big party and ovation? It was clear it was not an anticipated or happy parting. These actions all indicate guilt and wrongdoing. As a matter of fact I heard the day she resigned it was because of a rape case mishandled. Then to see her "explanation" made no sense. Why in August are you going to quit your 19 year very successful dream job out of the blue? Why not say the real reason? It all looks very suspicious. And it smells of guilt.

And what looks really bad is Linder reported another rape of another player around this time. Yet, failed to do so for Kesterson.


My gut tells me this girl is telling the truth and wronged beyond belief.

Looking forward to a formal statement from the school. Taking a long time to offer a rebuttal to the claims.
7 of the 8 total posts are on this subject since joining.You seem to have this all figured out .Any ageda here?
 

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7 of the 8 total posts are on this subject since joining.You seem to have this all figured out .Any ageda here?

Why not ask if anyone else has an agenda? Who cares how many posts this person has? Maybe they don't feel the need to post on everything and this subject struck a nerve.
 

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7 of the 8 total posts are on this subject since joining.You seem to have this all figured out .Any ageda here?

Actually, I was on the old board and after it went kaput I never opened a new acct. I would just read. Then when this happened I joined thinking I might participate in this conversation. I wanted to see what people were saying about the resignation.
Yes crystlemc it did strike a nerve. If I need to explain that to I will.
 

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7 of the 8 total posts are on this subject since joining.You seem to have this all figured out .Any ageda here?

I have an agenda If you are a coach or a school administrator and someone claims to have been Raped - Report it ... That simple - If it happens to be your son who is alleged to have done it recuse yourself and have someone else report it.
 

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Actually, I was on the old board and after it went kaput I never opened a new acct. I would just read. Then when this happened I joined thinking I might participate in this conversation. I wanted to see what people were saying about the resignation.
Yes crystlemc it did strike a nerve. If I need to explain that to I will.

8 out of 9.

Careful, someone is seeing a pattern here.
 

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Feel free to explain Sparty you seem to want to get it out there.Cobb completely agree seems to be a problem w academia today by putting the schools reputation before the individual.And what are most university's run by?
 

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Feel free to explain Sparty you seem to want to get it out there.Cobb completely agree seems to be a problem w academia today by putting the schools reputation before the individual.And what are most university's run by?
That was sarcasm.
Does everyone get the 3rd degree from you?
I'm appalled at this situation and for expressing that I've become your focus? Odd.
 
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