Absolutely Classless

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I have been coaching Softball for three years now and I came across something this weekend that I could not believe. While at a tournament in Westerville this weekend (U10), the coach of one of the "premier" Ohio travel teams approached our catchers parent, DURNING THE GAME, and asked her is she would be interested in her daughter playing on their team. This happened while our girls were on the field and their team was batting. Maybe I am overreacting, but I feel that this is very inappropriate. The coach of this "premier" team was so obvious that the umpire behind the plate saw it take place and commented to me how classless this was. After I cooled down a little I started thinking, what kind of message does this send to his other players? I would never even consider this. Needless to say I lost a great deal of respect for coach. Has this happened to anyone else?
 
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Happens all the time and I agree it shows no class at all. I know of High School coaches who have done it. If you talk to the coach or head of the organization first as it may beneift a girl thats one thing . Just to do it and hide behind excuses is another. I guess people have their own ideas of what is right and what is wrong.
I also know of a head of a certain organization who had buisness cards made to make this going on easier. I will never mention names as I try to show some class but I dont think these people have much.
 
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I've never personally seen this but I've heard of it before. ?

Sounds about as classless as the team caught placing tryout fliers on windshields at another "premier" org's tryouts last fall.
 
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CG, your premise is correct. But you indict virtually every top program by not naming the offender.
It is what it is. If you're going to report an offense, offer a full report.
 
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Soleprop,

I believe I know what you are talking about (as do most people who read these postings. Rest assured it was not the U10 team who had anything to do with that incident. I don't want to call any team out in particular because it would not serve any purpose other than start a feud on line.
 
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Bigtrain,

I am going to have to ask that the team not be identified on this forum. Though I do not doubt what GC has stated, it opens a can of worms for people to attack an entire organization for a the act of one coach. If you want to know more, use IM or email each other.
 
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I have experienced this first hand, and do not like it...BUT...how would you make contact with a potential premier player, besides hoping they come to your tryouts? Parents might like what you have to offer, and the coach or head of the other organization is probably not going to be too willing to help you reach that player. If a player has talent, aren't we showcasing that at tournaments, or just holding onto them because they belong to us. I give my players and parents a reason to want to stay, if something better comes along, in their opinion, I wish them well (with a smile).
 
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jjen,

I agree, if any player thinks she want to play somewhere else, so be it. I have absolutly no problem with that at all and I would wish her well. However, during a game, with players on the field is not the time or place for that.
 
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It should not be done during a game. I am not sure it should be happening at all, especially at the 10/U level.
 
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Jjen
If a player is unhappy then she should leave and a coach should let her go. How contact is made and handled is the issue. Is it done in a manner where you cannot be convicted of" back dooring" is the issue. Also you mentioned "Potential premier player' status and " Showcasing" at tourneys. If I read the post right this happened at a 10u game. JMHO for what it is worth
 
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Lightning Coach

"high school coaches" PLEASE

we all know where they are

PLEASE

GHS Coach is violating OHSAA rules as we speak-- "how many kids are on his team??!!

about seven?
 
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I actually witnessed it firsthand at a recent tournament when a player's parent was handed a "business card" and told that his dd was tough and they should call for a tryout. The parent came to me and handed me the card and said, "Why would I want to go anywhere else?"
Some coaches believe that the only way to get better is to steal other teams best players. I'd rather show the ones I have that I am loyal to them, (since I did ask them to join my team), and win or lose with the team I have. If your organization is viewed as top shelf, the best players will come to your tryouts. If not, keep working until they do.
 
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Good point about loyalty, BobbyE
If they'll leave somebody else for you, what makes you think they won't leave you?
 
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We had a girl jump last year several games into the travel season when her high school coach impressed on her dad that her playing for HIS travel team would make a big difference on how much playing time and at what position she could expect come school season. Needless to say it left a big hole in our team. >:(
 
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the mom was told how talented her daughter was and that in late august if she were interested in trying out please visit the website that was on the card. our team does not need any other players. i apologize if i offended anyone. thank you
 
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This happens all the time. ?You just have to monitor the people that do it - whether it is at a tournament where they approach your parents or at other teams tryouts where they have daughters hand out fliers and put them on cars for other teams tryouts...lest we forget.
 
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Not only is the high school coach totally classless, he's also an idiot -- if the talented young lady plays ``above'', not only does she come back to the high school team the next spring more experienced and better, but she also allowed another girl to play on the local team because the more talented girl wasn't taking up that spot.
It's a win-win situation if high school coaches would just use their brain. Oh well...
 
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Every year we dance around this subject about recruiting girls.

But, I don't believe we ever come close to fixing this problem (perceived or otherwise). I think that the fix is relatively simple and straightforward, if everyone is willing to play the same game.

First, we have to all agree that it is permissible for any coach to approach any girl's PARENTS between games, present a business card, and state that they would be interested in evaluating their daughter for their team AFTER THE TRAVEL SEASON WRAPS UP IN EARLY AUGUST. That should be the entire extent of the contact from the coach's perspective. It is, in essence, an invitation to attend that team's tryouts for next year's team.

(All of us are free agents after the season ends. While I think that we are mostly responsible for our daughter's - and our own - happiness, the travel organization needs to understand that it is our right to look.) If that is what happened at this 10U game, I don't know if it is completely unreasonable. (Well, talking during the game is unreasonable, but the approach may be OK.)

Second, travel organizations should - in writing - clearly state strong sanctions against any parent who takes it on themselves to become an unlicensed recruiter for the organization. I would bet that some of these approaches are from frustrated dads who are sure that one more girl could turn DD's team around. No travel organization should have to put its reputation on the line because a parent inaccurately represented themselves as a team recruiter - or even as a concerned parent just trying to help the team.

Third, parents should understand that when they pick a travel team, they are picking in essence picking travel buddies for the next summer. Don't enter into the decision lightly, understand all of the expectations and financial obligations, and be willing to sit there and keep your mouth shut while someone else coaches your DD. Voice concerns privately and directly to the coach, and be willing to live with the answers you get.

Sounds simple, unless this incident really was another coach trying to get a girl to leave her current team during the season. That is simply wrong.

If the travel ball community wants to stop that behavior, the solution is very simple.

The parents who were approached have to be willing to state their names and the name of the team and the coach who approached them. (None of this "I heard from someone that this happened" stuff.)

If that person really is a coach in the organization, let's all just quietly review our tournament lists and refund that team's entry fees. Yes, I mean kick them out of our tournaments. I think a "quality" travel ball organization will dry up quickly if the only place they can play is their own field.

It is radical, but for years I have seen the same posts, with no solution other than saying that it is bad.
 
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