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I think there is a way to do both in my opinion. ?There is nothing wrong with wanting to win. Face it, no one wants to be that team that always loses. ?However, there is a difference between always being run ruled and losing 3-2. This questions and these opinions will always be around, and I guess we have to learn to agree to disagree.

 

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Mom,

Your right. As always. Your short term satisfaction may be your daughters long term failure.

Lets hope not.

We will disagree on this one.

 

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Elliot are you assuming that a coach that has an early age, successful team is not capable of training that team and developing that team to each members individual potential? Many, many tournament team coaches are very skilled at this level of training. If they can't teach certain things they will find the experts and have them train their players. In fact my experience has been that coaches that develop players attract the best players to their teams. Success breads success.

 

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I would get used to this type of thing happening. Coaches and some people don't care who they step on as long as it gets them ahead. ( Or so they think ) :-X

 

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ifyoubuildit

I was very surprised at your surly response. I guess you took it wrong. I was just saying that it's okay to want to win. If it wasn't a factor, then we'd never keep score. But you are right, I'd rather have a coach who cares MORE about development than winning. Our coach always teaches and develops for the future. I apologize profusely if I offended you; I have never assumed to be right about anything, and I'm pretty sure that I've never projected that on this forum.

 

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Ditto what Ohio Rays said, nicely done. Hopefully, most would not be so short sighted as to sacrifice their daughter's REAL future for THEIR own personal gratification now. Recruiting to a winning program is one thing, but development in skills, poise, character, proper mental attitude, and other situational understandings better come along with the deal. Otherwise it (the winning) is probably a mirage anyways (buyer beware), which probably won't last. However, if advanced/willing kids are recruited and offered quality leadership and training opportunities, AND the opportunity to win and advance their play to higher levels against the best ?? - Are they being harmed somehow? Nor should we underestimate the impact of just trying to keep up (or catch up) with superb team mates - including the learning of skills, techniques, and attitudes together as a team and individually from each other, plus having the opportunity to learn, practice, and employ very advanced skills and strategies in live game situations because everyone is so soundly founded in the basics & fundamentals.

If you are THAT upset about losing players, do something about it - it's America !! Why wouldn't every coach/organization first try to offer the best environment for advancement, and then understand if someone wants to move on to where they can receive this if it can't (or won't / unwilling) be provided within their own organization? - compete darn it > and quit whining! :'(

Peace out

 

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The issue of making your own team and environment the best it can be is separate from the issue of teams recruiting players in the middle of games or tournaments.

I don't know of any coach who wouldn't want to make his own team's environment as good as he can. I also don't know of any coach who would not release a player if they player wanted a release. But neither of those facts mean that it's ethical for teams to recruit in the middle of games.

 

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Joe you are right - it should not happen. ?The coach involved tried to explain his position. ?I just hope people remember the "casting of the first stone" thing we learned as kids. ?I think this thread is kind of hypocritical.

I won't even let our coaches down here discuss options with parents of kids playing for other teams until their committment is satisfied - and we get calls often looking for opportunities. There are no rules about team jumping in Florida!!!

 

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Mom,

Let me apologize also. I did misinterpret your response and I was harsh in response. After seeing this down here in Texas for so many years you tend to get a bit jaded and I really shouldnt have responded in that manner.

I am truly sorry.

Elliott.

 

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I think this thread has been beaten to death for the 10th time.

Hey, Bear, where are you? ?I've seen threads less controversial than this be locked up right quick!!!
Are you slackin' or what???? ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

JUST KIDDINDG!!!!!!

 

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My daughter plays on the team with the catcher who was approached, and I did witness the "incident". ?The coach handed the mother a business card, complimented our catcher(rightfully so), and told her he would like to see her at try-outs. ?I don't know if that means he wanted her to leave mid-season or not. ?Regardless, it is NOT appropriate to recruit during a game in front of other PLAYERS (of either team)! ?Especially, not at the 10U level. ?No matter what you say, 10 Year old girls do not fully understand all of the tactics adults employ, and this sort of thing can create animosity, jealousy, and low esteem amongst an otherwise tight team. ?Fortunately, none of our ?players have voiced any concern. ?It is appropriate to make contact immediately after the game or in between games when other players are not within earshot. ?In my mind, this was poor judgement on Coach's behalf, and he has obviously heard several opinions about it. ?Whether he will change the timing of the approach is TBD.

We have an EXCELLENT catcher. ?She is a natural, and if she wants to move on next year, it is her perogative. ? In an earlier posting, someone cynically commented that the coach "might" want another cather for next year. ?If he wasn't interested, he wouldn't have initiated the conversation. ?You should consider the fact that the "elite" players are not necessarily the best players. ?They're just the best that those coaches could find for the season. ? There always someone better. ?

What is most upsetting about everything I've read is that nobody mentions how the girls feel about this....isn't this game about them? ?Aren't we suppose to be developing them and setting examples for them? ?My daughter has terrific athletic ability. ?She gives 100% each time she hits the field, and she is good. ?But, she is 10 years old. ?She just got out of the 4th grade. ?What were you all doing in the summer between your 4th and 5th grade year? ?Were you worried about which team is trying to recruit you? ?Are the girls playing because they want to, or are they trying to please their parents? ?At the end of the day, they are little girls, all of them. ?Isn't it a parents' responsibility to teach them what good clean competition is about. ?As we all know winning and loosing is a huge part of life. ?They should know what it is like to do both so that they grow into well rounded athletes.

Just my 2 cents!

 

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cmlegg,

I would absolutely agree that it should be about the girls and in their best interests, overall, all things considered. Doing it in the middle of a game is understandably upsetting, doing it in a situation that is not private adds to it given what you have said, good points. That coach and organization have expressed regret, and apparently meant no disrespect or harm (I don't know them, btw). My points and issues were more about the secondary concept of competition making everybody better, as has been proven over and over in many scenarios across many bounds, it is the way of the world and a force in nature too great to ignore. Hope it all works out for the best.

When I was in the 4th grade, I wouldn't have understood ANY of this, ... and my PARENTS wouldn't have either. I was not spending weekends 2 hours from home playing a game, driving 2 hours to the nearest dome for winter ball, and I would not have parents who would drive me 1-2 hours to practice (each way), and I CERTAINLY would not have a $225 bat, $40 batting gloves, $150 bat bag, $35 helmet, $100 cleats, or a $70 /hour hitting guru ... WTF?!? - LOL

 

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I think this thread has been beaten to death for the 10th time.

Hey, Bear, where are you? I've seen threads less controversial than this be locked up right quick!!!
Are you slackin' or what???? ha ha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

JUST KIDDINDG!!!!!!

Just lurking in the background... ;D

 

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on things.

 

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Let's drop it. I received a call from one of the coaches of the "elite" program in question, and things are good with us - intentions were in line. We will meet with our U-10 coach to close the event.

 

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ifubuildit

Thank you dear-no harm done. I think sometimes it is really hard to tell how to interpret some of these posts. With no facial expressions or voice intonations, we can sometimes misinterpret what others are saying. And after awhile, things can get heated and we just assume the most negative interpretation, of course! :

I have to say that I have received a lot of good ideas from some of the vets here, and I have learned to ignore some of the people who are known to purposely write posts intended to inflame others. After awhile, you learn who they are, and usually you just have to laugh.